There are also ones who “won” the last one who don’t want another one having been duped previously.Its not my view these are the views of certain posters in here because they lost one. Obviously they will about face if one is offered and they win it. Such is the hypocritical nature of people.
You should get the opportunity for another referendum and the majority decision should be accepted.
I agree with you. You're saying there should be another indyref and another brexit referendum right?Its not my view these are the views of certain posters in here because they lost one. Obviously they will about face if one is offered and they win it. Such is the hypocritical nature of people.
You should get the opportunity for another referendum and the majority decision should be accepted.
There are also ones who “won” the last one who don’t want another one having been duped previously.
Like each different decision, people change their “side” to match their thoughts.
My view is that the Scottish deserve another independence referendum as the political landscape has changed markedly since the last one.
Its not up to me, so my view is moot.
Agree on the legally binding element too where 60% should be attained (or whatever % is agreed) to facilitate that change.We agree on on Scotland having a ref then. As for your other point mine was based on actual.posts. I have no idea if yours is or from people you know or just a guess.
There is nothing stopping us having one in the future either.
A Scottish one post general election would be wise I think an EU one is a lot less clear. On average they seem to be every 50 years.I agree with you. You're saying there should be another indyref and another brexit referendum right?
Personally I don't believe 60% is workable if you think about it. I expect eventually we will reach a half way house which probably won't be ideal for anyone. When that will be I couldn't even guess.Agree on the legally binding element too where 60% should be attained (or whatever % is agreed) to facilitate that change.
We fudged our way through Brexit and it doesn‘t seem to have done many much good, so we should learn from our mistakes and adapt accordingly.
Sounds like we need a referendum to define the percentage for the next referendum.Personally I don't believe 60% is workable if you think about it. I expect eventually we will reach a half way house which probably won't be ideal for anyone. When that will be I couldn't even guess.
50% is fair and in an unfair world the general principle that the majority should be heard seems is as good as it gets. As that would be to my disadvantage it shows that some can still keep their morals at the cost of personal gain.Sounds like we need a referendum to define the percentage for the next referendum.
Sounds like we need a referendum to define the percentage for the next referendum.
75% is quite a stretch, I struggle to see how anyone on either side could really honestly agree with that. I do however like the idea of a larger majority needed to swing it, there is something logical about it.
Don't think it would work though. Two referendums have already gone with a simple majority. This would then be seen as shifting the goalposts, and say there somehow was a majority but not significant enough to settle it, it would just start all over again, or at the very least there would be bitterness and more division. Besides, don't think those pursuing it would accept it.
It would have to be on a simple majority but as things stand a narrow victory for leave would fuel divide further, best out of 3 and all that. In the absence of a resounding victory for either side it will keep bubbling to the surface.
Westminster could offer a second Indy ref for 2034, that’s a generation after the last vote which ought to make the result less contentious. It will give both the UK and Scottish governments time to work out what an independent Scotland’s relationship with the rest of the UK looks like so that the decision can be implemented pretty much immediately. It can clear the airways for some actually politics that helps Scotland from the SNP rather than this constant noise around independence (although credit them for their NHS pay offer, Uk should follow suit). None of the current crop of politicians need to worry about it as few will still be there come 2034. I don’t see a downside.
I don't see an upside. For anyone really.
Agree that a narrow victory could however take time to get over divisions, particularly in the current situatuon which is low and negative as is.
How long do you think it would take to put a withdrawal deal together between Scotland and the rest of UK ? It will make Brexit seem simple and look how that’s turned out. If you had the referendum tomorrow and won I doubt Scotland would be out of the union in the next decade. It would also allow Scotland to present a genuine picture of what independence would really look like - imagine voting in a referendum where there was no “project fear”. People will vote remain simply because they are afraid of uncertainty, remove that uncertainty and you get as close to the free will of the people as you ever will. None of this “they lied to us”, “that’s not what we voted for”.
I say good riddance to the fat, obnoxious twat.I liked Blackford at PMQs. Apparently all to do with his support for an alleged dodgy MP.
Of course you would, wouldn’t want anyone holding those twats sat opposite to account and pointing out their lies.I say good riddance to the fat, obnoxious twat.
Mhairi Black next please.Of course you would, wouldn’t want anyone holding those twats sat opposite to account and pointing out their lies.
A genuine socialist and great speaker. What a shame labour are too much of a sham to attract her.Mhairi Black next please.
Someone has obviously dug up some dirt on him because he was keen to be re-elected as leader last week.I liked Blackford at PMQs. Apparently all to do with his support for an alleged dodgy MP.
No one would elect her down here.A genuine socialist and great speaker. What a shame labour are too much of a sham to attract her.