How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

bluethrunthru said:
This is worth highlighting for some of the moronic comments on the thread - like its child abuse to teach children a different language. The greatest gift you can have is to be fluent in many languages - it literally opens a world of opportunities to you.

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Any other language but Welsh and you'd have a point. If the Welsh language accent is replaced by the slavic sound of those kids it would be much improved though.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thick as mince racists on there were calling teaching them Welsh child abuse !!! Lets face it - they will speak Ukrainian - probably Russian - some English and now Welsh - possibly other smatterings from school in Ukraine and they are between 7 and 11 years old. Being called out by fat white 60 year old tosspots who can barely get by in English looking at some of their spelling - I honestly believe in the coming decade languages will become mega important if you want to get on in this world - well at least beyond our shores.
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Are you planning a trip to see Patagonian Shepherds?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thick as mince racists on there were calling teaching them Welsh child abuse !!! Lets face it - they will speak Ukrainian - probably Russian - some English and now Welsh - possibly other smatterings from school in Ukraine and they are between 7 and 11 years old. Being called out by fat white 60 year old tosspots who can barely get by in English looking at some of their spelling - I honestly believe in the coming decade languages will become mega important if you want to get on in this world - well at least beyond our shores.
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Languages are criminally undervalued in our educational system. The best time to start learning a language is from the cradle. It’s not statutory in the primary curriculum at KS1 , nor is it statutory at KS4.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Any other language but Welsh and you'd have a point. If the Welsh language accent is replaced by the slavic sound of those kids it would be much improved though.
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I worked with a guy from Chester. His parents split up and they moved with their mum over the border. Him and his brother learned Welsh. He said it was surprisingly easy. By the time I worked with him he was nearly 30 and his brother was in his 30's - they both spoke or were passable in many languages and had travelled/worked all around the world. At the time I worked with him his brother was earning loads in international banking in Frankfurt as he was the go to guy when someone came in with a language no-one knew. My colleague told me languages were valued in London's banking sector but came down the list after what school and what Uni you went to
 
johnnytapia said:
Languages are criminally undervalued in our educational system. The best time to start learning a language is from the cradle. It’s not statutory in the primary curriculum at KS1 , nor is it statutory at KS4.
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Interestingly my daughter and her Uni friend from Poland have learned Korean over the last year by the means of K-Pop !!
 
bluethrunthru said:
I worked with a guy from Chester. His parents split up and they moved with their mum over the border. Him and his brother learned Welsh. He said it was surprisingly easy. By the time I worked with him he was nearly 30 and his brother was in his 30's - they both spoke or were passable in many languages and had travelled/worked all around the world. At the time I worked with him his brother was earning loads in international banking in Frankfurt as he was the go to guy when someone came in with a language no-one knew. My colleague told me languages were valued in London's banking sector but came down the list after what school and what Uni you went to
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Yes. But they wasted time learning Welsh when they could have just skipped onto a modern foreign language. It may have helped them but so would widely spoken languages.
 
fucking hell now its early retiree's to blame for the economic slump not Brexit and not Putin - all through my working life and certainly before 2020 I seem to remember work colleagues retiring early and they were not blamed for anything.......

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The Nuffield Trust have produced a report on the effects of Brexit on health. Full report is here; https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/files/2022-12/1671199514-health-and-brexit-web.pdf
Some Key Points are
  • Across medicine, nursing and social care, there has been a decline in EU recruitment and registration since the EU referendum in 2016. This trend risks compounding widespread problems associated with the lack of workforce planning, unappealing conditions, and a need for a growing number of staff.
  • For the total number of doctors and nurses, a rapid increase in recruitment from the rest of the world has compensated for the slowdown in EU workers. The number of nurses joining the UK register from the rest of the world has risen from 800 in 2012/13 to 18,000 in 2021/22. However, this is not sufficient to make up for ongoing shortages in nursing and cannot be a replacement for adequate workforce planning to recruit and retain staff domestically.
  • Several essential specialties of medicine facing chronic shortages have seen EU and EFTA recruitment drop off without increases from other countries compensating for this.Cardiothoracic surgery's previous reliance on European staff has slowed to almost nothing, with no increase in rest-of-world recruitment. Anaesthetics, a large specialty with high numbers of European staff, has seen EU and EFTA recruitment drop from a rise of over 20% in the years before Brexit to just 5% in the following years. Non-EU recruitment has also fallen.
  • The rate of EU and EFTA dentists joining the register has halved since the EU referendum, without a clear increase in rest-of-world registration. Social care has seen a drop in EU and EFTA nationals which has not been compensated by wider recruitment.
  • The NHS is not supposed to actively recruit staff from ‘red list’ lower and middle-income countries experiencing workforce shortages, but recruitment from these countries has increased in many English NHS trusts since the UK exited the EU single market and introduced new migration rules. This poses important ethical issues related both to the damage incurred by health systems in staff’s country of training, and to potential abusive treatment of staff in the UK where recruitment is not adequately monitored.
  • There is clear evidence that Brexit is likely to be reducing the incomes of people in the UK relative to a counterfactual of continued membership, through its impact on GDP, investment, and trade. The current economic situation means that this is likely to be an additional reduction on already falling real incomes, rather than slower growth. The link between health and income is well documented, and this is likely to lead to worse health outcomes and higher demands of the NHS.
  • There have been unusual spikes in medicines shortages since the UK left the single market in 2021, and to some extent in the preceding years following the EU referendum. The number of price concessions granted by the government when medicines cannot be found at the usual price has jumped repeatedly since 2016 and has recently soared to record highs. The latest shifts illustrate how drops in the pound due to Brexit and the September 2022 Fiscal Statement appear to make it difficult for the NHS to obtain medicines under the cost controls it has relied on.
  • For other G7 states, medicine imports have risen steadily in total value since 2016. For the UK, they have reversed and fallen back to where they were a decade ago. UK data shows that 2021 was a particularly slow year for imports. This will partly reflect previous stockpiling, but may also be associated with new trade barriers.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
EU should give us a one off take it or leave it chance to rejoin on the same terms we had.

apart from a few Farage w*nkers, who wouldn't want that right now ?
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After the U.K. government has fucked about for the best part of 6 years and blatantly tried to take the piss?
I’m not sure you’ll be welcomed back with open arms as it stands and there’ll certainly be no going back to what terns you left on.
 
Phil1 said:
After the U.K. government has fucked about for the best part of 6 years and blatantly tried to take the piss?
I’m not sure you’ll be welcomed back with open arms as it stands and there’ll certainly be no going back to what terns you left on.
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agreed, no chance. would be nice though. Farage and Co would absolutely brick it.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The Nuffield Trust have produced a report on the effects of Brexit on health. Full report is here; https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/files/2022-12/1671199514-health-and-brexit-web.pdf
Some Key Points are
  • Across medicine, nursing and social care, there has been a decline in EU recruitment and registration since the EU referendum in 2016. This trend risks compounding widespread problems associated with the lack of workforce planning, unappealing conditions, and a need for a growing number of staff.
  • For the total number of doctors and nurses, a rapid increase in recruitment from the rest of the world has compensated for the slowdown in EU workers. The number of nurses joining the UK register from the rest of the world has risen from 800 in 2012/13 to 18,000 in 2021/22. However, this is not sufficient to make up for ongoing shortages in nursing and cannot be a replacement for adequate workforce planning to recruit and retain staff domestically.
  • Several essential specialties of medicine facing chronic shortages have seen EU and EFTA recruitment drop off without increases from other countries compensating for this.Cardiothoracic surgery's previous reliance on European staff has slowed to almost nothing, with no increase in rest-of-world recruitment. Anaesthetics, a large specialty with high numbers of European staff, has seen EU and EFTA recruitment drop from a rise of over 20% in the years before Brexit to just 5% in the following years. Non-EU recruitment has also fallen.
  • The rate of EU and EFTA dentists joining the register has halved since the EU referendum, without a clear increase in rest-of-world registration. Social care has seen a drop in EU and EFTA nationals which has not been compensated by wider recruitment.
  • The NHS is not supposed to actively recruit staff from ‘red list’ lower and middle-income countries experiencing workforce shortages, but recruitment from these countries has increased in many English NHS trusts since the UK exited the EU single market and introduced new migration rules. This poses important ethical issues related both to the damage incurred by health systems in staff’s country of training, and to potential abusive treatment of staff in the UK where recruitment is not adequately monitored.
  • There is clear evidence that Brexit is likely to be reducing the incomes of people in the UK relative to a counterfactual of continued membership, through its impact on GDP, investment, and trade. The current economic situation means that this is likely to be an additional reduction on already falling real incomes, rather than slower growth. The link between health and income is well documented, and this is likely to lead to worse health outcomes and higher demands of the NHS.
  • There have been unusual spikes in medicines shortages since the UK left the single market in 2021, and to some extent in the preceding years following the EU referendum. The number of price concessions granted by the government when medicines cannot be found at the usual price has jumped repeatedly since 2016 and has recently soared to record highs. The latest shifts illustrate how drops in the pound due to Brexit and the September 2022 Fiscal Statement appear to make it difficult for the NHS to obtain medicines under the cost controls it has relied on.
  • For other G7 states, medicine imports have risen steadily in total value since 2016. For the UK, they have reversed and fallen back to where they were a decade ago. UK data shows that 2021 was a particularly slow year for imports. This will partly reflect previous stockpiling, but may also be associated with new trade barriers.
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Yes but the NHS gets an extra hundreds of millions of pounds, I know it because it was on the side of a bus with Gove and Johnson stood in front of it proudly telling us.
 
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