Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

tolmie's hairdoo said:
I may be way off, but I'm not sure the North Stand roof is even part of the cable-net system?

From memory, it was built as an open end for the Commonwealth Games and the roof went on as a separate piecing when we converted and dug down.

It's not connected or supported by the other three stands and, as such, isn't constricted to what can be done with it?
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It’s part of it. The cable net was built before the stand. When they built the stand after the games, they built around it and then attached the current roof to it.
 
HelloCity said:
It’s part of it. The cable net was built before the stand. When they built the stand after the games, they built around it and then attached the current roof to it.
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The cable net roof is a marvel of engineering, and completing the roof in two stages beggars belief. They would have had the same difficulties when removing the south stand original roof. I'm watching what happens with the north stand with great interest, especially the roof.


"The roof

Clearly a key element of the Stadium design is the cable net roof. The cable net itself was already erected in time for the Games and the temporary North Stand was fitted around the permanent masts and tie down cables. In fact, during the Games, the cable net was directly over the athletics track surface, which required Arup to obtain for the client a dispensation from the International Association of Athletics Federations. Following the Games, the roof was completed by adding the rafters, purlins and cladding to achieve the final form and the intimacy that is such a feature of the building.

This may appear a relatively simple task but cable nets are by their nature flexible structures, and joining two parts of a three-sided stadium together, and some considerable time after it was originally built, was not without its challenges. The sequence of loading and adjustment was carefully assessed and co-ordinated to ensure that the final shape meets the geometric aspiration. This involved considerable skill, expertise, and co-ordination between builder and designer."
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I may be way off, but I'm not sure the North Stand roof is even part of the cable-net system?

From memory, it was built as an open end for the Commonwealth Games and the roof went on as a separate piecing when we converted and dug down.

It's not connected or supported by the other three stands and, as such, isn't constricted to what can be done with it?
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Stick to transfers mate you know fuck all about this ;)
 
Centurions said:
The cable net roof is a marvel of engineering, and completing the roof in two stages beggars belief. They would have had the same difficulties when removing the south stand original roof. I'm watching what happens with the north stand with great interest, especially the roof.


"The roof

Clearly a key element of the Stadium design is the cable net roof. The cable net itself was already erected in time for the Games and the temporary North Stand was fitted around the permanent masts and tie down cables. In fact, during the Games, the cable net was directly over the athletics track surface, which required Arup to obtain for the client a dispensation from the International Association of Athletics Federations. Following the Games, the roof was completed by adding the rafters, purlins and cladding to achieve the final form and the intimacy that is such a feature of the building.

This may appear a relatively simple task but cable nets are by their nature flexible structures, and joining two parts of a three-sided stadium together, and some considerable time after it was originally built, was not without its challenges. The sequence of loading and adjustment was carefully assessed and co-ordinated to ensure that the final shape meets the geometric aspiration. This involved considerable skill, expertise, and co-ordination between builder and designer."
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The good thing is, now it's been done once, it should be easier and quicker the 2nd time around.

I wonder if we'll see the CTL 1600 crane back again? Along with the other 2 cranes?

The availability of a CTL 1600 crane, the largest crane of its type in the country, significantly influenced the lifting methodology as it permitted much larger lifts, speeded up construction and reduced the need for working at height splicing components.

Absolute beast.

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The zab man said:


Imagine permeable concrete around the stadium.
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Excellent idea.

The puddles when it rains around the grounds of the stadium can be huge, with bottle necks of people trying to walk where there isn’t a puddle at times. If you do walk through the puddles, they can be very deep and sometimes are about 20 meters in diameter down the back of the East Stand.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Here is the Hydro there is seven hotels roundabout it , but the whole area which is the Scottish Event Campus can hold up to 32,000 people.

The COOP live can hold 23,500 people and the expanded Etihad can hold upto 60,000.

Maybe need more hotels ????

The other side of the SEC is a massive car park and there is multistorey next to the Moxy and there is car parking at the Village,Premier Inn,

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I've been saying we need more hotels from the start. The actual campuses are similar sizes. These Glasgow hotels have popped up mainly since the Hydro was built, there was nothing like that number when it was just the SECC. The multi story is the building that has Moxy Glasgow written over it. If memory serves it has around seven floors. I genuinely think the transport assumptions for the Arena are half baked and woefully optimistic based on my experience with public transport and walking in Manchester vs attending events at the Glasgow Hydro.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I've been saying we need more hotels from the start. The actual campuses are similar sizes. These Glasgow hotels have popped up mainly since the Hydro was built, there was nothing like that number when it was just the SECC. The multi story is the building that has Moxy Glasgow written over it. If memory serves it has around seven floors. I genuinely think the transport assumptions for the Arena are half baked and woefully optimistic based on my experience with public transport and walking in Manchester vs attending events at the Glasgow Hydro.
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The infrastructure round the etihad is atrocious. Add in a venue like the new arena and if events clash i really dont think id bother
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Sorry i was replying to the reference of hotels. That glasgow arena has 7 hotels in its vicinity. I was pointing out that the area cant be compared to ours as it has bbc on its door step and we dont
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sorry mate. I'm being thick. Why would having the BBC (and STV and a bunch of other stuff) on the doorstep dictate the number of hotels? Are you thinking that these organisations attract a lot of staff from outwith the area that need hotel accommodation?
 
From what I can remember, stand corrected. At the time the CTL 1600 crane came from Italy, it was brand new, had never been used before, and only 1or 2 cranes operators working for the crane company knew how to use it.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
The infrastructure round the etihad is atrocious. Add in a venue like the new arena and if events clash i really dont think id bother
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Maybe i'm missing something but if there are no radical improvements to tram and the walking route I can see it making for an unpleasant experience and not what the club are intending at all. Maybe they are looking at the Arena to take the lead on this stuff (albeit I know we are involved in its build). It is already difficult getting away from the Etihad in a car after the game. This is not going to improve things.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I've been saying we need more hotels from the start. The actual campuses are similar sizes. These Glasgow hotels have popped up mainly since the Hydro was built, there was nothing like that number when it was just the SECC. The multi story is the building that has Moxy Glasgow written over it. If memory serves it has around seven floors. I genuinely think the transport assumptions for the Arena are half baked and woefully optimistic based on my experience with public transport and walking in Manchester vs attending events at the Glasgow Hydro.
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I totally agree with you, you also have the subway in Glasgow as well which clears out a lot of people who attend events

A railway link would help massively, look at modern large stadiums of city size then most of them have stations near them or links to stations.

Wembley - Wembley tube station
Murrayfield- Massive tram stop with goes to Haymarket Station
Emirates-Highbury tube station

Here are the options that the Spurs Stadium has
  1. White Hart Lane (London Overground): approx. 5 mins walk to the stadium - that’s more or less 500 steps for those of you with fitness apps
  2. Northumberland Park (Abellio Greater Anglia services): approx. 10 mins walk to the stadium and about 1,000 steps.
  3. Tottenham Hale (Victoria line and Abellio Greater Anglia services): approx. 25 mins walk to the stadium and roughly 2,500 steps.
  4. Seven Sisters (Victoria line and London Overground): approx. 30 mins walk to the stadium and around 3,000 steps.
 
Funny isn't. You never hear the Rags complaining about getting away from OT, even though the get 74,000.

Having been to OT. Trafford Park through to the M60 is always gridlocked with cars and coaches. The Metrolink service is like ours, infrequent and rammed. They do have more Metrolink stops away from the ground. Around the ground it's residential parking only. Etc.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I've been saying we need more hotels from the start. The actual campuses are similar sizes. These Glasgow hotels have popped up mainly since the Hydro was built, there was nothing like that number when it was just the SECC. The multi story is the building that has Moxy Glasgow written over it. If memory serves it has around seven floors. I genuinely think the transport assumptions for the Arena are half baked and woefully optimistic based on my experience with public transport and walking in Manchester vs attending events at the Glasgow Hydro.
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If they build more hotels more people will stay on site, as what happens with the Hydro for events. Football is different with a lot of people wanting to go home after a game.

I think a trick is been missed here not to release plans for the whole site as they could help massively with people staying after concerts and games in there is paperwork for the new stand they talking about this.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
If they build more hotels more people will stay on site, as what happens with the Hydro for events. Football is different with a lot of people wanting to go home after a game.

I think a trick is been missed here not to release plans for the whole site as they could help massively with people staying after concerts and games in there is paperwork for the new stand they talking about this.
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We drive from Edinburgh so this subject is close to my heart. I like to park on campus and would prefer to stay on campus rather than take an hour or more to get to a suitable Premier Inn. I have had my fill of Denton, Oldham Broadway and Bolton Stadium. Chorley North has not been discarded yet but its just a matter of time :-)
 
jrb said:
Funny isn't. You never hear the Rags complaining about getting away from OT, even though the get 74,000.

Having been to OT. Trafford Park through to the M60 is always gridlocked with cars and coaches. The Metrolink service is like ours, infrequent and rammed. They do have more Metrolink stops away from the ground. Around the ground it's residential parking only. Etc.
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It's a good point and why I am hopeful that the developments excluding transport on the campus and the neighbouring areas should improve things. At the fake OT it's just a better walk currently with more options than what we currently have mainly because it's been there longer. The area north of the Etihad is pretty grim, hopefully it'll improve once the arena is open for business.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
I totally agree with you, you also have the subway in Glasgow as well which clears out a lot of people who attend events

A railway link would help massively, look at modern large stadiums of city size then most of them have stations near them or links to stations.

Wembley - Wembley tube station
Murrayfield- Massive tram stop with goes to Haymarket Station
Emirates-Highbury tube station

Here are the options that the Spurs Stadium has
  1. White Hart Lane (London Overground): approx. 5 mins walk to the stadium - that’s more or less 500 steps for those of you with fitness apps
  2. Northumberland Park (Abellio Greater Anglia services): approx. 10 mins walk to the stadium and about 1,000 steps.
  3. Tottenham Hale (Victoria line and Abellio Greater Anglia services): approx. 25 mins walk to the stadium and roughly 2,500 steps.
  4. Seven Sisters (Victoria line and London Overground): approx. 30 mins walk to the stadium and around 3,000 steps.
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And Spurs is a pain in the arse to get away from after large events. This seems to be standard for stadiums over 60,000. I'm not expecting major improvement at the Etihad.
 
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