VAR thread 2022/23

[dronefromsector7G]

Which begs the question, why do we need var.

Because that’s post VAR. The pre VAR figure was said to be 82%

 

[BlueHammer85]

Which begs the question, why do we need var.

Because it was 82% before

Watch the Man Utd v City game posted on here for a reminder of the level of officiating before VAR

 

[stonerblue]

Because that’s post VAR. The pre VAR figure was said to be 82%

Oops..

 

[stonerblue]

Because it was 82% before

Watch the Man Utd v City game posted on here for a reminder of the level of officiating before VAR

Don't need to mate. 50 years watching footy and seen some shockers. I'm happy to live with it as part of the game.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Don't need to mate. 50 years watching footy and seen some shockers. I'm happy to live with it as part of the game.

If everyone else was the same and could accept these 'shockers' there'd be no need for VAR

 

[Blue Mist]

Sorry,, I just don’t see why any referee would think like that. If he’s seen the handball, he gives it. The game stops and if it turns out he’s wrong, it gets overturned and people might say what a shit decision it was to start with but thankfully the correct decision was reached in the end. This is exactly the scenario with Michael Oliver and the hit the guy in the face incident at Arsenal the other week. I don’t recall any particular ridicule for him calling it wrongly originally.

At City the other day, you’re suggesting he’s seen the handball but because he’s unprofessional and lazy, he decides to play on and leave it to VAR to give him a shout if his initial thoughts were right. In the meantime play goes on. There’s a possibility another major incident might occur in the time it takes the VAR to tell him to stop play. A red card maybe for violent conduct. Which would stand even if play was brought back. A Chelsea goal which would then be chalked off. Incidents that would be talked about for years.

The possibilities for opening himself up for ridicule are far greater if he takes this option. Especially if it’s on the back of him actually seeing an incident correctly but not giving it.

He’s getting ridiculed off you for example for doing exactly what you claim he’s done to avoid ridicule.

There’s a far simpler and more likely explanation for him not giving it. Which is, like it seems all the players and virtually the whole crowd, he simply missed it.

Each to their own. I believe referees have got lazy, you dont.
I think the whole thing is so poorly run it is a disgrace.

 

[Gray]

Wolves have asked the FA & PGMOL to explain the VAR fuck up at Clanfield. Good luck with getting a sensible reply.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

According to premierleague.com before VAR was introduced the percentage of correct key match decisions stood at 82 percent.

12 months later with VAR in use for the 2019/20 season, it rose to 94 percent.

Suspect it’s even higher now VAR has improved

Interesting stats. The same page also report that this represents 109 overturns on 2450 decisions (roughly 1 in 20).
Bare in mind the same official figures were reporting a 96% accuracy rate pre VAR. Which the now say was 82%.... Strange...
Still... 1 overturned decision every 3.5 games equates to 10 a club per season. Significant as you say.
The question is therefore is a subjective one. Is the difference worth it? For some like you, you believe that football is about accuracy then so be it.
For me it has killed the joy of the goal, the stupidity, the frenzy...
I am just glad I was around to celebrate 93.20 at the ground in all its madness without VAR.
No statistics will make me feel any different.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

But there putting thereselves under way more scrutiny and furore with VAR and leaving themselves caught trapped most of the time

Pre VAR the ref could easily not of spotted that handball v Chelsea and nothing happens

Now. The ref can not spot it but VAR does (vast majority of time) and the ref has no choice but to award the rightful penalty

For example

Have watched many VAR free Carabao games this season and although not perfect, there has been no big outcry at any decisions. Also the officials seem to give decisions more readily.

 

[Stephen230]

Each to their own. I believe referees have got lazy, you dont.
I think the whole thing is so poorly run it is a disgrace.

Not gonna argue with someone’s opinion but what I would say to people in general who are constantly claiming that refereeing has reached a new low, is watch some old games from the 70s and 80s, while keeping an eye out for the refereeing performance. People like to look back with rose tinted glasses at how great everything was back in the day. But by todays standards the amateur days of refereeing was abysmal. People claim there is no accountability now but there literally wasn’t then. Unless it was one of the few games that was televised, nobody ever really knew how good or bad the referee was.

 

[blue by birth]

I have added a poll at this top of the thread to determine how many active in this thread believe that VAR was designed and implemented solely to benefit Liverpool and United, as you have defined the membership of the "conspiracy brigade".

I don't think Var was designed and implemented to solely benefit the rags and the dippers...


But it sure as hell seems to be a very helpful tool when they need it..
I was in favour of Var when it was being introduced but I fucking hate the way it's implemented.

Officials make mistakes in real time and it's understandable given the speed of the game ..but it's unforgivable that the twats using Var to correct mistakes are still making fuck ups given the technology at their fingertips..

If they can't make the correct decisions using the slow mo cams etc then they are either incompetent or bent.

The jury is out as too which it actually is.

 

[Bluesince1979]

For VAR to work it has to be 100% correct all the time. Theres no point it being right 99% of the time

 

[Colin Bell (genuine name)]

I don’t think it was originally designed to solely favour Liverpool and United but it didn’t take them long to manipulate it in their favour.

I think the game against Chelsea carried on for two minutes before they stopped play to award the handball penalty against Havertz.

Go back a couple of years to its initial implementation and Liverpool score roughly 15 seconds against us after Trent plays basketball in his own box. Deemed a new phase of play, ….bollocks.

How many times have VAR gone back into different phases of play to find a possible foul against a team that have scored against them.

Imagine the outcry if United or Liverpool are dragged out the dressing room to face a penalty that VAR found. Like Brighton had to do.

There are countless others but as long as Sky, BT, BBC and others are infested with rags and dippers it will be allowed to continue unchallenged.

Wolves writing to the FA today asking them to investigate that disgrace of officialdom v Liverpool may be the example that other teams need to follow.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Interesting stats. The same page also report that this represents 109 overturns on 2450 decisions (roughly 1 in 20).
Bare in mind the same official figures were reporting a 96% accuracy rate pre VAR. Which the now say was 82%.... Strange...
Still... 1 overturned decision every 3.5 games equates to 10 a club per season. Significant as you say.
The question is therefore is a subjective one. Is the difference worth it? For some like you, you believe that football is about accuracy then so be it.
For me it has killed the joy of the goal, the stupidity, the frenzy...
I am just glad I was around to celebrate 93.20 at the ground in all its madness without VAR.
No statistics will make me feel any different.

I didn't want to post about it, because I couldn't find a link (though, my memory for data points is usually pretty good), but I could have sworn that prior to VAR the accuracy rate of refereeing decisions was being reported as 90+% for most seasons.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

For VAR to work it has to be 100% correct all the time. Theres no point it being right 99% of the time

How can it be? It’s still a human being looking at what happened on a screen. Many incidents are open to interpretation- even when they draw lines to check offside there’s still arguments about using the correct frame/not enough frames/dodgy calls on where a player's sleeve meets his arm

 

[BlueHammer85]

I have added a poll at this top of the thread to determine how many active in this thread believe that VAR was designed and implemented solely to benefit Liverpool and United, as you have defined the membership of the "conspiracy brigade".

Was you expecting nearly half the contributors to this thread to agree it is ?

 

[BlueHammer85]

For VAR to work it has to be 100% correct all the time. Theres no point it being right 99% of the time

Why not ? I’d rather 99% than 82%

 

[SebastianBlue]

Was you expecting nearly half the forum to agree it is ?

...11 people have voted 'Yes' and 16 people have voted 'No' since I put the poll up three and a half hours ago.

I mean, I know people think Bluemoon is dominated by a small number of power users but surely we can agree there are more than 27 active users on here?

 

[BlueHammer85]

...11 people have voted 'Yes' and 16 people have voted 'No' since I put the poll up three and a half hours ago.

I mean, I know people think Bluemoon is dominated by a small number of power users but surely we can agree there are more than 27 active users on here?

42% is higher than you expected and also there’s other factors to the conspiracies aside from just benefiting Man U and Liverpool - I was wrong to state ‘solely’ but not wrong to state ‘conspiracy camp’

 

[Bill]

Those that think VAR is bought into enable corruption and award Liverpool/Man Utd everything and everyone else nothing

its brought in to enable results . its a multi billion pound industry , think about it. rags being off the pace costs them a fortune . we are a fly in the ointment and are treated according .

your team are unaffected as they will never be in the hunt for trophies .