United (A) | Post Match Thread

The final decision lies with the onfield referee, VAR cannot overrule him.
Unfortunately for us the onfield referee was a clown demoted previously for his incompetence famous for giving a goal after the ball had gone wide of thr post.
Yes thats right, VAR can't overrule the referee, but they can 'advise' a referee to review a decsion which is code for 'you have got that wrong' change the decision.

I should have said, 'VAR Failed to advise the referee to review (and therefore change) his decision'.
 
The final decision lies with the onfield referee, VAR cannot overrule him.
Unfortunately for us the onfield referee was a clown demoted previously for his incompetence famous for giving a goal after the ball had gone wide of thr post.
That’s not quite true though…..VAR use the old ‘go and take a look on a monitor’

which we all know is code for ‘change your decision you numpty’
 
How can Rashford not be interfering with play when the ball is played towards him & he steps over the ball. He interfering with the defenders decision on who to pick up.
He does a little
How can Rashford not be interfering with play when the ball is played towards him & he steps over the ball. He interfering with the defenders decision on who to pick up.
He does a little feint trying to trick the keeper before leaving it. Just seen again in real time. Absolutely atrocious decision.
 
Perhaps an influx of new players is waiting. Some of these current players do not look the part and maybe Peps feeling the heat also.
So many below par showings from players who usually turn up. Things aren't quite right somewhere. We didn't actually play that bad, but in recent years we would have seen that through. Can't account for the offside fiasco though.
 
For those people that need a fact check on the offside law.

Here it is from the FA website...

I've highlighted just the 5 clauses which should have been penalised in todays incident.



1. Offside position
It is not an offence to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:
  • any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
  • any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
A player is not in an offside position if level with the:
  • second-last opponent or
  • last two opponents
2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
    • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
    • challenging an opponent for the ball or
    • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
    • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
  • gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
    • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
    • been deliberately saved by any opponent
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

In situations where:
  • a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12
  • a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
  • an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge
*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used
3. No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
  • a goal kick
  • a throw-in
  • a corner kick
4. Offences and sanctions
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.

A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission shall be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area. If the player left the field of play deliberately, the player must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.

An attacking player may step or stay off the field of play not to be involved in active play. If the player re-enters from the goal line and becomes involved in play before the next stoppage in play, or the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area, the player shall be considered to be positioned on the goal line for the purposes of offside. A player who deliberately leaves the field of play and re-enters without the referee’s permission and is not penalised for offside and gains an advantage, must be cautioned.

If an attacking player remains stationary between the goalposts and inside the goal as the ball enters the goal, a goal must be awarded unless the player commits an offside offence or Law 12 offence in which case play is restarted with an indirect or direct free kick.

Rashford didn't do any of them.
Is it the law though? I think Rashford could be the example shown to highlight the bit below.


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He didnt do any of them though,he was 'merely' stood in an offside position.
 
I agree 100% mate. Rashford was going for the ball until he got a call from The Rat. Ederson was definitely distracted by Rashford being there. Probably the top assistant referee in the country correctly flagged, but after Atwell was badgered by half the United team he decided to go over to him and get it overturned. If this type of scenario is allowed, I can see teams planning such a move in the future.
If you watch it back to see the linesman reaction, straight away he is telling the United players to calm down, and his body language looks as though he thinks he's made a mistake, and that it is actually a goal. He actually looked a little bit shocked, and didn't seem sure he'd made the right decision

Whatever the rule is, it's ridiculous that a player can be 5 yards offside, and running towards the ball but not be classed as interfering. Its as simple as that!
 
I agree 100% mate. Rashford was going for the ball until he got a call from The Rat. Ederson was definitely distracted by Rashford being there. Probably the top assistant referee in the country correctly flagged, but after Atwell was badgered by half the United team he decided to go over to him and get it overturned. If this type of scenario is allowed, I can see teams planning such a move in the future.

VAr, which I hate and would ditch instantly, should have got involved and made the ref look at Rashford movements and the scene from different angles.
 

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