Russian invasion of Ukraine

domalino said:
Yes and that fringe have complete control over the house because Kevin McCarthy had to promise them every batshit crazy thing they wanted to get elected speaker.

The MAGA wing will block anything and they'll launch a bunch of idiotic investigations and hearings about where things are going. Also R voter support is only hovering around 50%, and Fox News is staunchly opposed so...not good.


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Republican sceptics question ‘blank cheque’ support for Ukraine

Some US conservatives have pushed back on Kyiv’s appeals as they vow to step up scrutiny next year
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The White House has some discretionary funding but it's going to be a billion here and there.

Plus the impending debt ceiling default is going to dominate US politics for the next few months.
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I admit I don’t know the ins and outs of it but going by people I trust who do, the general consensus is that Ukrainian support will continue as most republicans, as in the voters want it too.

If the republicans in the house push it for a fringe side they risk splitting the party in 2.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Poland will be ditching their whole Leopard 2 fleet replacing them with South Korean K2s and Abrams as Leopard 2 delivery to anyone is years away - so I suspect they don't give a stuff what Germany thinks.
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Perhaps suits Germany as well to not make the decision.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Trump became president because of direct Russian interference and assistance. Boris Johnson came to power because he is a lying ****, but Putin didnt do that.
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Several key Brexit figures had Russian funding, and Russian troll farms featured in the campaign.

Johnson did well with Ukraine, but for sure, Putin was very pleased he got into power.
 
grunge said:
Germany do seem to be changing the goal posts on this. From saying they wont go alone to saying they wont go unless the US do.

There is a suggestion doing the rounds that the US may send a batallion of Abrahams to Ukraine but not to the front line. maybe for defending somewhere. only reason for no front line action would be they are very very hard to maintain a supply line for due to being powered by a jet engine and needing jet fuel to run.

it should be enough to break the deadlock.
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Stick them in the border with Belarus
 
Just give Ukraine tanks already, FFS - USA and Germany both. Stop Putin from killing Ukraine!

If that fucker Putin is going to retaliate using nukes, then he's going to do so and there's nothing we can do about it. If we cave on Ukraine, next up is Poland and on and on. We can't let this go.

Meanwhile, I really think we should up sanctions against Russia. Cut off oil/natural gas revenue. This may be a bridge too far - but by not cutting off this source of revenue, the West is simply funding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just give Ukraine tanks already, FFS - USA and Germany both. Stop Putin from killing Ukraine!

If that fucker Putin is going to retaliate using nukes, then he's going to do so and there's nothing we can do about it. If we cave on Ukraine, next up is Poland and on and on. We can't let this go.

Meanwhile, I really think we should up sanctions against Russia. Cut off oil/natural gas revenue. This may be a bridge too far - but by not cutting off this source of revenue, the West is simply funding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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They will be loving this division and slow making in the Kremlin. Whilst this dragging of feet goes on it gives them the opportunity to regroup and try again when spring comes along in a couple of months time. The U.K. government for once has got something right sending Challengers, everyone else should be doing their bit.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
They will be loving this division and slow making in the Kremlin. Whilst this dragging of feet goes on it gives them the opportunity to regroup and try again when spring comes along in a couple of months time. The U.K. government for once has got something right sending Challengers, everyone else should be doing their bit.
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Agree.
At the same time - I think that this impasse will soon be resolved. Ukraine will get tanks soon. Fuck Putin!
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just give Ukraine tanks already, FFS - USA and Germany both. Stop Putin from killing Ukraine!

If that fucker Putin is going to retaliate using nukes, then he's going to do so and there's nothing we can do about it. If we cave on Ukraine, next up is Poland and on and on. We can't let this go.

Meanwhile, I really think we should up sanctions against Russia. Cut off oil/natural gas revenue. This may be a bridge too far - but by not cutting off this source of revenue, the West is simply funding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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I agree but Putin ain't going anywhere near Poland, if he did the war would be over by teatime.
 
Elbow beards said:
I agree but Putin ain't going anywhere near Poland, if he did the war would be over by teatime.
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Putin - if allowed to capture Ukraine - is absolutely going to push boundaries. Gas cutoffs to the West - Cyber attacks - amassing a military presence on Poland's borders - claiming that Nazi agents and USA biolabs are active in Poland and are threating Russia - interference in elections... and on and on. At some point, Russia will absolutely invade Poland.

Meanwhile, Putin is going to die in the next decade or so. Might his successor be as aggressive or even more so - almost certainly Putin has arranged for succession - so there's probably no let off in aggression once Putin dies.
 
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