VAR thread 2022/23

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mattcity5 said:
Yeah, he's onside.

Look at how far Zinchenko is across that light green strip of pitch - maybe between a third and half. Then check where the defender is - closer to halfway across. Not loads in it, but he's on.
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He's 'onside' in the picture we were SHOWN. I bet there is a frame which also shows him offside, with no discernible difference in the position of the ball at the passers foot.
 
mattcity5 said:
Yeah, that frame looks right but we can't be sure without being shown the previous/next ones.
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There is always a frame where the ball is just hitting the foot and there is a frame where the ball looks like it being kicked and another frame where it’s just leaving the foot so there is the Leeway of how var can manipulate it to who they want!
 
waspish said:
There is always a frame where the ball is just hitting the foot and there is a frame where the ball looks like it being kicked and another frame where it’s just leaving the foot so there is the Leeway of how var can manipulate it to who they want!
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Totally agree. I'd like to see a reverse version of the offsides/onsides - go to the frame where the player shows as onside and then see where the ball is, if it has been played yet or not.
 
Tbh, half of me wants the VAR team to continue their cheating / bias against City.

It gets the fans going, gets the passion and the fans behind the team.

Nothing like a common enemy to bring the club together!

We will beat all comers, and WE WILL BEAT THE VAR CHEATING.
 
mattcity5 said:
Totally agree. I'd like to see a reverse version of the offsides/onsides - go to the frame where the player shows as onside and then see where the ball is, if it has been played yet or not.
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all you need is two freeze frames. The last one where the ball has 'not' been touched and the first one where the ball 'has' been touched. If they are offside on both then they are offside. If they are onside on either then they are onside, given that the actual moment the ball is touched is likely to be somewhere 'within' the two frames on show
 
edinburgh123 said:
all you need is two freeze frames. The last one where the ball has 'not' been touched and the first one where the ball 'has' been touched. If they are offside on both then they are offside. If they are onside on either then they are onside, given that the actual moment the ball is touched is likely to be somewhere 'within' the two frames on show
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The problem is that between those 2 frames could be the difference between 'way onside' and 'way offside' depending on the relative speed and direction of both attacker and last defender, and there is currently no method in the PL of discerning the actual moment the foot impacts the ball. With current camera placement and resolution that is still a 100% subjective decision.
 
Stephen230 said:
There is an tolerance level. When the two lines are touching it is on side, even if the attacking line is further forward. By modem standards it’s not a particularly close one. There’s a clear gap between the two lines.
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Did we ever see that for the Mahrez "goal"? Can't remember it.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Did we ever see that for the Mahrez "goal"? Can't remember it.
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I haven’t seen it. I’m not sure if it has been released. Since it was not a televised game and not a VAR overturn, I’d guess it probably wasn’t. But it is only a guess.
 
Stephen230 said:
I haven’t seen it. I’m not sure if it has been released. Since it was not a televised game and not a VAR overturn, I’d guess it probably wasn’t. But it is only a guess.
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It was televised. I know because I watched it ..... And they only show when it's an overturn? Like Rashford's goal against Liverpool?
 
halfcenturyup said:
It was televised. I know because I watched it ..... And they only show when it's an overturn? Like Rashford's goal against Liverpool?
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It wasn’t televised in the UK. I’m not a spokesman for the Premier League or Sky Sports. I’ve no idea if there’s an exact criteria for when they share the lines graphic. But I would have thought it’s more unlikely in non televised games and when the VAR is confirming an on field decision
 
Stephen230 said:
It wasn’t televised in the UK. I’m not a spokesman for the Premier League or Sky Sports. I’ve no idea if there’s an exact criteria for when they share the lines graphic. But I would have thought it’s more unlikely in non televised games and when the VAR is confirming an on field decision
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Fair enough, but you can see why sharing the image on which they make the decision some times and not others can lead to accusations of, at best, a lack of consistency and transparency, and at worst, of manipulation and corruption.

Just one of the many areas that they need to work on, imho.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough, but you can see why sharing the image on which they make the decision some times and not others can lead to accusations of, at best, a lack of consistency and transparency, and at worst, of manipulation and corruption.

Just one of the many areas that they need to work on, imho.
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Of course, everyone would like more transparency. It’ll come no doubt drop by drop at a snails pace.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yes.



Yes, that is a statistical fact



Yes, unfortunately we'll never have a system in place that will 100% get every decision correct and please everyone. We do have a system in place that allows a ref a second look, that can spot clear and obvious decisions the refs would have missed otherwise. Will always have big controversial moments when the ref and VAR both get it completely wrong - it shouldn't happen, it's frustrating, but it always will.

With just a ref and couple of lino's then the increase of wrong/farcical decisions is on a much higher scale




Yes, I've witnessed football pre and with VAR, without tech help some games were farcical and the decisions ridiculous

check this pre VAR match out that someone posted a couple weeks ago and tell me you were happier ? it was like this for a lot of games back then.



also, I would like to clarify 'bad' - for some games, refs are under severe pressure from players, fans etc. and they have to deal with cheating/diving, fractional split second decisions - It was becoming pretty impossible for refs hence the need for tech help.



They really did, completely farcical - was clearly offside and interfering

the dickhead ref was swayed by players reaction saying Rashford wasn't interfering and overruled the Lino and didn't go to VAR either - completely infuriating even for a neutral

also on the same day, Brentford getting that penalty awarded when it was Toney grabbing hold of the defender - the ref got completely played and again didn't go to VAR - there's no agenda/conspiracy here - it's just bad officiating even with VAR right there for him to have a look



Agreed they was, not having correct cameras in place - which also happened AGAINST Liverpool earlier the season at Arsenal is something they have to get right.

It proves why we need VAR as the Linos left on thereselves get it wrong

West Ham have had a few really bad ref/VAR go against us also

But it has really helped correct injustice calls which many forget -

Cresswell having a ball smash in his face was awarded a penalty by the ref (VAR overturned)
Likewise Bowen getting completly wiped out and the ref gave a goal kick (VAR overturned)

It's decisions like these which don't get a mention where it's hard to argue against VAR



Yes personally for me.

It's perfectly fine for others to have a different view (something you should learn)



Whatever I say will be met by a few permanently and desperately wanting to be outraged on a forum - I even agreed how bad that offside decision was and was still quoted by a few thinking I was saying it was the correct decision - also the recent poll that 44% on here think VAR was 'SOLELY' set up to benefit Man Utd and Liverpool is just hilarious

So once again, I bow out, there is little point trying to have a rational debate with the likes of you that just want to scream and shout corruption and get abusive. It's a waste of time.

You can tag me in the next 'controversial' incident that WILL happen. I wont bother responding on here.

Have a good one.
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Pre var wrong decions -v- post VAR is a finger in the air job.

And my definite feeling is that incorrect decisions by the referee's team were never ever as bad as they are now. I just dont remember all the headlines week in week out about totally stupid stupid calls. And the fact that they have video tech, mulitple eyes on it makes itn even worse.

VAR has opend a pandora's box of shite and I am currently of the mind that it needs to be rolled back and stop this microscopic refereeing. Go back to 1 ref making decisions, if HE needs a video to check it then HE should use it. The onus should always be on the judgement of one person, because when you have multiple people using subjective criteria you produce confusing decisions and that is what we're seeing.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Pre var wrong decions -v- post VAR is a finger in the air job.

And my definite feeling is that incorrect decisions by the referee's team were never ever as bad as they are now. I just dont remember all the headlines week in week out about totally stupid stupid calls. And the fact that they have video tech, mulitple eyes on it makes itn even worse.

VAR has opend a pandora's box of shite and I am currently of the mind that it needs to be rolled back and stop this microscopic refereeing. Go back to 1 ref making decisions, if HE needs a video to check it then HE should use it. The onus should always be on the judgement of one person, because when you have multiple people using subjective criteria you produce confusing decisions and that is what we're seeing.
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Agreed. The whole idea was that VAR was a tool to help the referee not replace him. That said there is nothing you can do when corrupt tossers like Atwell overturn a decision made by an experienced linesman 15 yards away from the action. He never had any intention of checking the monitor despite the fact he was 40 yards behind play for the Rashford offside incident. VAR seems to be working well in some countries though so perhaps the problem here is we just have too many incompetent, weak, or dishonest officials.
 
bondsman said:
Ah another game another farce. Offside by a kneecap. Oh how this technology has improved the best game in the world
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Howard Webb trying to keep VAR interventions to a minimum by penalising attackers to 1mm for where their limbs are in a normal running movement. And don't start about thicker lines, please.
 
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