PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[wolviedinho]

Sounds like we could be fucked tbh

Fucked because the league twisted the rules and we twisted them back again?

The club should never had been put in this position in the first place. Mansour bought the club and wanted to invest in a growing league to earn money. If he had of been allowed to do so we would not have had to get creative with any rules or regulations.

The problem is that we got too successful. Pep arriving put the final nail in the coffin for the red teams oh and spurs:-)

All this doom and gloom. It was the same before CAS. City guilty, kick em out and we all found out that no matter what was reported by the press or indeed the charges thrown at us by uefa, all they had was a set of hacked sliced up emails.

Without knowing what the club have we are all pissing in the wind. They believe we have done nothing wrong. Let’s wait and see before we all jump off a cliff or try to get a ticket for York!

 

[SWP's back]

I don't agree with that at all. And there is no High Court route. The only appeal is another PL Panel. So lets hope I am right!

Are we sure about that?

 

[SWP's back]

Correct.

Saudi Arabia and its Arab allies agreed on Tuesday to restore diplomatic relations with Qatar and restart flights to and from the country, ending a three-year boycott of the tiny gas-rich nation.

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Yep and that was two years ago.

 

[hammocity]

I don't see what this has to do with anything. Whatever the effect of supporting a club has on you, the suggestion that you can sue the Premier League for those feelings is still ridiculous.

The OP had a question on this particular subject, in this day and age it wasn't ridiculous even though I'd never be party to it. I did post, tongue in cheek that the Premier League should be accountable for incompetence by allowing us to breach their rules for 13 years, in that time line, like many others, I've spent a fortune on following the club that's been a constant part of my life. If we get relegated , stripped of trophies, sanctioned, those 13 years were wasted, the PL were incompetent. I've supported my club for well over 50 years, unconditionally, never thought we'd be so successful but the media, the Hateful 8/9 and other "fans" are now driving this agenda, so as fucking daft as some post's may appear don't dismiss the impact it has on some fans who' are absolutely engrossed in The Club. For some fans City is the most important thing in their lives, don't belittle these people.

 

[jgmcfc]

Are we sure about that?

No

In part, yes. The PL self-regulates and can impose whatever decision it sees fit within the current rules. The Commission will reach a conclusion and either party then has the ability to appeal, where an Appeal Board would hear the appeal (the members, similarly to the Commission are selected by the Chair). Practically the definition of marking your own homework (twice!).

Judicial review is not available, so City could not challenge the procedural aspects of the case by the PL, as the PL is private body so not subject to judicial review (R v Jockey Club 1992).

City could try and commence court proceedings if they view the PL to have breached their contract with City during the course of the investigation and/or subsequent hearing.

The High Court/Court of Appeal/Supreme Court wouldn’t have the power to overturn the decision(s) made by the PL per se, but their ruling could seriously undermine the legitimacy of the PL ruling and be incredibly embarrassing.

 

[Silva2021]

The no court thing is a really bad turn, no truly independent party seems like it will cause us issues.

I have/ had faith in the PL independent party and didn’t have the issue with him being an Arsenal member, In fact in some ways, I felt he would be trying very hard to show impartiality beyond all doubt. As a KC I do and still believe they will have the utmost for due process and impartiality.

However, now knowing that the courts will not go through their judgment. It does open up a door for them to have some bias.

PL will be paying them (this is the first part)
Who knows what meeting they have already had
He is an Arsenal member, q lots of jovial comments from certain other member ‘make sure you send them down etc’ he’ll walk back in a hero if he does as opposed to the quips you let us down etc.

No KC is going to want their impartiality questioned, but if they had one who was a City member would the PL be saying it’s ok they are a KC??

 

[argyle]

Why can’t we take it to the courts?

PL deal with PL stuff and clubs will abide by the rulings, apparently in the rules that all clubs signed up to.

Shit.

 

[slbsn]

Are we sure about that?

Seems pretty clear

 

[madloaf]

It isn't half causing me stress, feel like I need a good break from it all.

Do a Happy Gilmore and go to your happy place

 

[chaddblue]

PL deal with PL stuff and clubs will abide by the rulings, apparently in the rules that all clubs signed up to.

Shit.

But if they relegate us we won’t be a PL member so presumably won’t be tied to their rules?

 

[Iassel]

For what it’s worth, and mostly just repeating what Stefan has already said, the most shocking part of it all is the barely concealed inference from the list of charges that the club have been involved in a decade+ long fraudulent scheme to deceive not only the PL but also numerous statutory and legal bodies within the UK.

On one hand you can say that surely to make such fundamentally earth shattering claims, they must feel on pretty solid ground to press ahead with charges. On the other hand, you can look at it that with such serious allegations being laid out, any ultimately negative ruling against City would need to be supported by more than a balance of probabilities ruling that such arbitration proceedings operate under.

The sheer scale of the inferences would suggest in my opinion that it’s likely to end up a comprehensive finding one way or the other. If against City, then it’s not going to be a £1m fine…… if it’s against the PL then the fallout is going to be explosive.

 

[Corky]

The PL handbook stated exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts, which certainly doesn't rule out High Court then Supreme Court if needed, but County Court is unlikely :)

 

[slbsn]

No

In part, yes. The PL self-regulates and can impose whatever decision it sees fit within the current rules. The Commission will reach a conclusion and either party then has the ability to appeal, where an Appeal Board would hear the appeal (the members, similarly to the Commission are selected by the Chair). Practically the definition of marking your own homework (twice!).

Judicial review is not available, so City could not challenge the procedural aspects of the case by the PL, as the PL is private body so not subject to judicial review (R v Jockey Club 1992).

City could try and commence court proceedings if they view the PL to have breached their contract with City during the course of the investigation and/or subsequent hearing.

The High Court/Court of Appeal/Supreme Court wouldn’t have the power to overturn the decision(s) made by the PL per se, but their ruling could seriously undermine the legitimacy of the PL ruling and be incredibly embarrassing.

So you mean yes!

 

[ultimateharold]

Yesterday night I was in touch with one of the chefs at the grounds brother in law (can’t reveal much more) he told me that his brother in-law overheard some of the players speaking about the charges and the severity of the issue,he then said one of the senior players then made a remark saying it’s worse then we think and that a “4 year investigation means they already know” he believes that some of the players are aware of the charges and have become complacent.Some are even considering their futures especially the senior starting players.Do take this with a pinch of salt this was only heard from a family member during a dinner.

Kinell at least bang a few normal posts out before playing your 'best' hand

 

[dublinblue12]

The no court thing is a really bad turn, no truly independent party seems like it will cause us issues.

I have/ had faith in the PL independent party and didn’t have the issue with him being an Arsenal member, In fact in some ways, I felt he would be trying very hard to show impartiality beyond all doubt...

He seems fine

 

[cheekybids]

Financial gain from who? Do you think Spaces makes any money? Or I get paid for occasional podcasts? I wrote one piece for Mail Online 18 months ago (pretty much proven correct) and donated the entire fee. Not done a single paid piece other than that ever. A bit of a silly suggestion. Maybe consider that it is my genuine view that IF these charges are proven because they are such serious allegations, they will throw the book at us. Because it is and they will. That is not to say they will be proven

Great work mate, I’m sure it actually costs you with the amount of time it takes from you but I love hearing from experts.

Now if City came out with a similar result as CAS. On the whole found not guilty but fined for not cooperating, but able to prove, leaks, impartiality & a general witch hunt.

Could EPL or individuals be penalised?

Clearly organisations are leaking, is that illegal?

 

[madloaf]

Yesterday night I was in touch with one of the chefs at the grounds brother in law (can’t reveal much more) he told me that his brother in-law overheard some of the players speaking about the charges and the severity of the issue,he then said one of the senior players then made a remark saying it’s worse then we think and that a “4 year investigation means they already know” he believes that some of the players are aware of the charges and have become complacent.Some are even considering their futures especially the senior starting players.Do take this with a pinch of salt this was only heard from a family member during a dinner.

So the chef's brother in law's brother in law said this?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

No

That’s not quite right either. Right about JR not being directly applicable, but not right that the court can’t have a supervisory role and look into procedural elements of the decision making. The Fallon case is the one to look at. Essentially the HC would step into a JR style role. If they didn’t see evidence in PL decisions that the high standards needed to assert fraud/deliberate bad faith CAS did (see projectrivers previous post on that) then the HC could effectively make them. The court won’t be the final decision maker, they’d send it back to the PL. But the steer would be v clear.

Just my take as an (ex) lawyer with a bit of experience in this.

Oh, and Panncik represented Fallon ;-)

 

[Silva2021]

He seems fineView attachment 68450

Love it!!

Can’t see him chairing but is probably on the panel with Simon Jordan as the financial expert

 

[slbsn]

The PL handbook stated exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts, which certainly doesn't rule out High Court then Supreme Court if needed, but County Court is unlikely :)

For disputes about the rules. City have already been to the High Court about disputes re the rules. But there is no provision to access the courts for disciplinary processes and the evaluation of charges.