Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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rabby said:
I'll call out the ludicrous misuse of historical references when I see it.
You are allowed to call out such people while understanding and in some cases agreeing with the underlying point being made,try it sometime.
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BayernMan said:
As much as NIMBY(Not In My Back Yard) people annoy me, that is hardly as serious as an issue of than the current government’s rhetoric. Most importantly what evidence do you have that anyone on this forum is a hypocrite?

Also, even if you believe this hypocrisy you highlight as a legitimate concern, you could also fault the government’s language and failures for the hypocrisy people display towards immigrants or just POC in general.
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You are right, I have no proof that anyone on this forum is a hypocrite. However, I live on the outskirts of a large immigrant area and my personal observation is that no white people of any political persuasion are moving in. So no difference in observed behaviour between outright racists and outright non racists!
My observations are that many people like experiencing other cultures but ultimately they settle down with people of similar culture. So, most white middle class people will live in a white middle class area with a sprinkling of non white residents who have adopted white.middle class lifestyles. That however is nowhere near the same as living in a predominately immigrant area where the culture is predominately based on the original country.
 
rabby said:
I'll call out the ludicrous misuse of historical references when I see it.
You are allowed to call out such people while understanding and in some cases agreeing with the underlying point being made,try it sometime.
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The persistent hyperbole you employed in attacking Lineker’s comment was excessive. Wouldn‘t a comment such as ‘I don’t agree with the ‘30s Germany reference, but the refugee policies and language used by this Govt is divisive and wrong’ have sufficed?

I think it would have landed better than frothing hysteria about Ribbentrop. Just a thought.
 
BobKowalski said:
The persistent hyperbole you employed in attacking Lineker’s comment was excessive. Wouldn‘t a comment such as ‘I don’t agree with the ‘30s Germany reference, but the refugee policies and language used by this Govt is divisive and wrong’ have sufficed?

I think it would have landed better than frothing hysteria about Ribbentrop. Just a thought.
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You've done a fair bit of frothing yourself sir.
At least you got the jist of it.
 
So to sum up.
Lineker makes a intervention on a hot topic,in making said intervention he employs a ludicrous comparison that negates any purposeful input he may have to make.
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rabby said:
No you're just a naughty boy who I'm sure understands why Lineker should be called out for making this reference.
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Why.? Because before Lineker said it the same thoughts occured to me as soon as I heard it. Demonising a minority to distract from problems in the country and a desperate attempt to shore up their core vote.Is that very different from early thirties in Germany.? Or even Trump with his wall.
If you think it isn’t show us how it’s different instead of going on about the personality. Show us how the governments policy or language is reasonable and balanced.
Surely going against all international law and conventions is a bit more important than worrying about how a bloke on twitter criticises those actions.
 
rabby said:
No you're just a naughty boy who I'm sure understands why Lineker should be called out for making this reference.
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He referenced ‘language’ used in 1930’s Germany, he didn’t say Nazi’s, he didn’t accuse the government or Braverman of being one. He called it out correctly.

If you think the words like ‘invasion’ are apt then I’m sorry you’ve been sucked in by this right wing government.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
The tour guides at Auschwitz explain that the root of the holocaust was early dehumanising language.

Perhaps you could book a tour and correct them.
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Bang on. That’s how it all starts, with words, then actions that the words have paved the way for ‘society’ to deem as acceptable.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The amount of piss this will boil will raise the temperature so signicantly all the snow will melt

www.thesun.co.uk

Lineker WON'T face any disciplinary action from BBC over migrant plan tweet

THE BBC today BACKED Gary Lineker over tweets comparing language around the government’s new anti-small boats plan to 1930s Germany. Bosses at the broadcaster spoke to the Match of the Day pr…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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I thought from the outset that the BBC statement was carefully worded - they said they'd remind him of his responsibilities (or words to that effect).
They didn't say they'd carpet him for it, and probably went as far as "use caution, please, ok?".
 
Palerider said:
You are right, I have no proof that anyone on this forum is a hypocrite. However, I live on the outskirts of a large immigrant area and my personal observation is that no white people of any political persuasion are moving in. So no difference in observed behaviour between outright racists and outright non racists!
My observations are that many people like experiencing other cultures but ultimately they settle down with people of similar culture. So, most white middle class people will live in a white middle class area with a sprinkling of non white residents who have adopted white.middle class lifestyles. That however is nowhere near the same as living in a predominately immigrant area where the culture is predominately based on the original country.
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Who made you chief of the local branch of the Stasi?
 
BobKowalski said:
I had no issue with the ‘jist’. Just the obsessive and hyperbolic way you applied, and are still applying, the ‘jist’, or even the gist.
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You do have a issue with it tho,hence why you're not letting it go.
It was Lineker's hyperbole that was my original point.
You attempting to widen the argument doesn't change anything,he chose a bad comparison to draw attention to his tweet,if you disagree with this fine,but I would suggest you're the one becoming a bit obsessive about this.
 
he never used the N word and questioned the tone of the language being used - this baying mob of snowflakes are complaining about the word he never used ha ha ha

 
kaz7 said:
The bitch was just on sky and she keeps saying we are using compassion , she keeps saying that , she is a fucking liar
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The constant parroting of that line is so obviously at odds with the truth that it's just gaslighting.

I suppose there may be a new definition in a version of Johnson's Dictionary of the English Language with a different Johnson making it up!
 
inchy14 said:
He referenced ‘language’ used in 1930’s Germany, he didn’t say Nazi’s, he didn’t accuse the government or Braverman of being one. He called it out correctly.

If you think the words like ‘invasion’ are apt then I’m sorry you’ve been sucked in by this right wing government.
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For the love of fuck,is there seriously anyone on this thread who believes that Lineker was not so subtlety referencing the Nazis when he said 1930s Germany.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
The tour guides at Auschwitz explain that the root of the holocaust was early dehumanising language.

Perhaps you could book a tour and correct them.
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Are you of the belief that the shambles the Tories are making of the current immigration issues could be the first step towards revisiting the horrors of the past.
 
rabby said:
For the love of fuck,is there seriously anyone on this thread who believes that Lineker was not so subtlety referencing the Nazis when he said 1930s Germany.
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Is this obtuseness deliberate? The Home Secretary has described asylum seekers with disgusting language which many people including Holocaust survivors have also found worrying because it reminds them of rhetoric used in the past. Yet here you are getting in a twist trying to claim Lineker is the one who is being careless with his words.

Okay let me ask this. If the government specifically the Home Secretary didn’t use the inflammatory rhetoric to describe asylum seekers would Lineker have spoken out as he did?
 
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