The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

Carry On Minister…

’Asked one Conservative MP what the strategy is behind many of their Tory colleagues going into battle with Gary Lineker, one of Britain’s most popular presenters. “There isn’t one”, came the reply.’ @ITV
 
domalino said:
Balance is allowing all your presenters/talent outside of the news & politics programming to speak freely in public outside of their jobs, not just the ones who support the government.
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If they sign up to earning seven figure sums by observing certain contractual conditions, maybe not.

I don’t support the government on this issue but nor do I support faux martyrs playing to their chosen galley. If they call his bluff, that’s OK with me. If he winds it in that’s equally OK.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
Amazing the headlines this is generating. Man breaks work guidelines and gets sacked from.prsenting job is essentially what has happened.

Lineker and Shearer were tedious in the extreme, look at the positives people. Shearer in particular was truly awful.

No one down the pub tonight gave a two hoots about Lineker or his supposed virtuous stance. Im thinking that represents the vast majority of British people.
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Which work guidelines did he break?
 
sir baconface said:
If they sign up to earning seven figure sums by observing certain contractual conditions, maybe not.

I don’t support the government on this issue but nor do I support faux martyrs playing to their chosen galley. If they call his bluff, that’s OK with me. If he winds it in that’s equally OK.!
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Lineker's already confirmed he's under no such contractual demand.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
that's why the get the live games not the highlights as they pay more for the live games and not the highlights. I've no idea what you're argument is and you clearly don't know what a contract is
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what I am saying is the BBC lacks the financial clout to secure live broadcasts. The two that do have the cash for live UK broadcast lock the BBC out - thats how contracts work - the BBC "saving" from presenter contracts is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost and the prize - the idea that somehow an agreed contract between parties is open to renegotiation mid season is - and I am sorry to say this - fucking stupid. The two big payers lock the small player out and in effect dictate terms. Were the PL to to say hey you know what we will take a quid more for longer highlights then the biggest paymasters can say enjoy your quid we are paying a fiver less.

The BBC have royally fucked this up and whatever your prejudices may be enjoy a silent MoyD - if it even fucking airs coz at this moment its looking like you may well get Where Eagles Dare instead
 
sir baconface said:
Isn’t Sugar a Labour guy? Whatever, he’s a total prick. So what was your point again?
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“He fronts a supposedly impartial institution and shouldn’t be making inflammatory and overtly political comments full stop,” is what you said. Seems like it only matters if the government are being criticised was my point, which is a bit concerning, to me at least.
Don’t you find it a bit odd that the doyens of free speech suddenly become deniers of free speech, when it’s about them.
Mind you, they’re cancelling Attenborough now, so I’ve no idea what’s going on anymore.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Amazing the headlines this is generating. Man breaks work guidelines and gets sacked from.prsenting job is essentially what has happened.

Lineker and Shearer were tedious in the extreme, look at the positives people. Shearer in particular was truly awful.

No one down the pub tonight gave a two hoots about Lineker or his supposed virtuous stance. Im thinking that represents the vast majority of British people.
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You are the perfect example of what this is all about, ignoring what we are all about and concentrating on the basic level.

This isn’t about MotD, nor football, it’s not about the media, it’s about people coming to this country who are claiming asylum. Yet we are, as a country, allowing that issue to cloud our judgement.

Unless we are thinking that there should be no routes for refugees to seek?

As for down the pub, you were all half pissed and your big man bravo takes control. We’ve all been there.
 
Betterdeedthan red said:
Am I missing something here.
Linekar like him or not has voiced his opinion on twitter or what ever it is.
And some people don't agree with his opinion..

It's that the point of an opinion.
If he's Labour tory or what ever he's entitled to an opinion?
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I believe he signed a contract with the BBC as a contractor, the contract had an impartiality clause which he has breached, several times.
I think other senior presenters have voiced their opinion as to why he can do that and presumably they can't.
So unless the BBC acted they could all start with their own particular soapboxes.

Gary Lineker is paid by and is the face of BBC sport. He can't suddenly start condemning the Government when the BBC's doctrine is impartiality. Having a senior figure attacking the Gov is not a viable situation.
 
Gary has really let them down here, now people might question the BBCs impartiality

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Bill Walker said:
I believe he signed a contract with the BBC as a contractor, the contract had an impartiality clause which he has breached, several times.
I think other senior presenters have voiced their opinion as to why he can do that and presumably they can't.
So unless the BBC acted they could all start with their own particular soapboxes.

Gary Lineker is paid by and is the face of BBC sport. He can't suddenly start condemning the Government when the BBC's doctrine is impartiality. Having a senior figure attacking the Gov is not a viable situation.
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Attacking the government?

Like ‘Swarms’, ‘invasion’, ‘Billions of economic migrants’?

Just spanked half a billion of our money to get less than nothing back. You happy with that?
 
sir baconface said:
You think invoking 1930s Germany is balanced? Seriously?
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The government and the BBC are guilty of hypocrisy. The BBC want staff to be apolitical but Sharp and Gibbs are at the levers of power. From previous journalists who worked there, it sounds as though they are actively interfering in journalists reporting against the government. It is ridiculous that the same government are giving out about snowflakes, woke overly sensitive people and yet Morduant turned a common speech into a weird shit analogy about Lineker.

As for Lineker, his comparison was crude, but he is right to point out that the HS is whipping up dangerous rhetoric against people who have no platform to fight back. This is done purely as they have nothing to offer, no strategy or policies. This is divisive and makes populations cruel. A more appropriate comparison for Suella would have been Enoch Powell and for the policy like something from 1970s BNP.
 

sir baconface said:
If they sign up to earning seven figure sums by observing certain contractual conditions, maybe not.
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1. What difference does the money have?
Because that's how you judge him. It's not enough what he said. So well try the fact that it's HIM that said it. The law is impartial and does not work on this way. But I can see how people expect their feelings to sway every issue these days.
2. Name 'em. Name the contractual conditions. Or you're spraying around deodorant to try and hide the stink of it being about your feelings rather than what's right and wrong.
sir baconface said:
I don’t support the government on this issue but nor do I support faux martyrs playing to their chosen galley. If they call his bluff, that’s OK with me. If he winds it in that’s equally OK.
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As long as he is punished or apologises, you're ok. Because obviously it doesn't matter who he is, you were only giving in to your feelings because you don't like him.

It doesn't matter. It can't matter. The law doesn't, cannot care if you think he's an overpaid fake martyr.

That's why we have the law, because people are fucking soft and spoilt only want things to apply when they feel like it.

Frankly, it's none of your business to decide on what other's say. Because you wouldn't do the job properly, and if it was done the way you wanted it this time, next time, someone could do exactly the same thing against you because they didn't like it, didn't like you.

Because you and other people are the epitome of lack of balance. You can't be trusted. You've lived like that your whole life, but you've learned that people in charge throw you a fucking bone because you rightfully have a vote. And there's a lot of you. And others who don't like your way of reacting consider they have to keep you from tipping the whole thing over. So that's more bones. At some point, round bout Brexit, I guess, people got a lot of bones thrown their way. Now you expect it every time.

No. Any more bones you get will drive people nuts, and they'll eventually work out a way to take power and kick you very hard in the nuts. You should, impolitely, use the opportunity to shut up and learn something. Rather than bark and demand more. Go and read some second and third year history. Then practise the phrase, "I disagree vehemently with what he says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it". Stop acting so spoilt. Become a proper supporter of the great English democracy that raised you and gave you everything.
 
Can we say that the BBC are supporting underfunding for the NHS, ambulance drivers, education for our children, and, and ,and, and still trying to ensure that the Tories should be a contender for another term?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Can we say that the BBC are supporting underfunding for the NHS, ambulance drivers, education for our children, and, and ,and, and still trying to ensure that the Tories should be a contender for another term?
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Yes. Because it doesn't trigger people.

Fucking Basil Fawlty's everywhere. He "invoked" the war! Like Basil, the overwhelming sense is of Anxious people. Very easily upset. Imagining things, quite a lot of the time. Clearly they have been spoilt and coddled for too long.

This is an adult country. Stop acting like babies.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Attacking the government?

Like ‘Swarms’, ‘invasion’, ‘Billions of economic migrants’?

Just spanked half a billion of our money to get less than nothing back. You happy with that?
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Doesn't matter what I'm happy with. GL signed a contract. He's breached it.

If he quits the BBC he can say whatever he likes. It's quite simple really.
 
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