The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

So tomorrow night, no presenters, and no pundits, just more football.

Seems like win win to me, I rarely watch the biased shit these days, but I might watch tomorrow (though our result will be the biggest influence).

As the thread title says "ignoring the lineker stuff", so please take any political bollocks to a different thread.

The notion that the programme was just about the football has never been a corner stone since it began. When it started the predominant team was Tottenham - beautiful football - but fans wanted to see their own team a little more often. And then it morphs into a Dipper and Rag festival where the good of the game never gets to be centre stage, and the interests of other teams are ignored. I think it might remain in the 'new format' for a few weeks until somebody writes in and suggests it was much better with Danny Muppet and assorted ex-pros from M16 and L4!

 

[Del_Bosque]

Then why are you saying the BBC Charter mentions social media when it doesn't?

BBC - Impartiality - BBC Trust

Ensuring the impartiality of the BBC is a key priority for the Trust; it is essential to its independence that the BBC retains the public’s trust as an impartial purveyor of news and programming.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ensuring the impartiality of the BBC is a key priority for the Trust; it is essential to its independence that the BBC retains the public’s trust as an impartial purveyor of news and programming.

The BBC is required to deliver duly impartial news by the Royal Charter and Agreement and to treat controversial subjects with due impartiality.

Easily readible section there saying BBC charter requires impartiality

Further guidelines issued on social media use to ensure they keep in line with the charter

There are also others who are not journalists or involved in factual programming who nevertheless have an additional responsibility to the BBC because of their profile on the BBC. We expect these individuals to avoid taking sides on party political issues or political controversies and to take care when addressing public policy matters.

It’s clear as day, don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise

 

[cleavers]

Can we just keep this thread about the "improvements" to MoTD now please.

As I have pointed out above there is already a thread to discuss the other stuff elsewhere.

It's really not hard.

 

[Jamshopbridge]

A really great opportunity for a complete restyle and reset.

Get back to basics with some enlightened thinking......Birds in tight shorts and cropped tops ??

Bingo !!

Like it! Maybe some sexy models mud wrestling in team colours as each game is shown.....and have live music as well......fantastic! It would get my dander up!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Are they getting rid of commentators as well, that would encourage me to watch.

Yeah, football with just crowd noise.

 

[Coatigan]

I can see that, but he made that comparison because of the link to nazi Germany. He could have compared the UK government's stance and rhetoric to that of the USAs in recent times ans their border policies. But that wouldn't have had the same impact would it. He deliberately chose the worst government by far in recent history.

Incidentally, The USA's stance and rhetoric in recent times has also repeatedly been compared to that of 1930s Germany. On a much larger scale. Because it, like that of the UK government, is very similar.

 

[Blue Mist]

I think The BBC have shot themselves in the foot over this. The groundswell of support seems to be on Lineker's side, so I think this one is going to run and run.

Reading this thread I'd say the opposite (I'm ignoring the politics) no one on here cares what Lineker and the rest have to say. Its meaningless drivel.

 

[Manx Blue]

I think this whole situation has been blown out of all propotion by the BBC.

For me as an individual, regardless of Gary Lineker, my opinions and the way i lead my life is not swayed, influenced or mobilised by what someone on social media has to say.

Yes, i can read it, take it on board, respect an opinion, and maybe enhance my way of thinking perhaps?

The thing that annoys me, is that Britain lost so many lives in WWII, because they fought for freedom.

Is this potentially the first brick in a gigantic wall of removing freedom, and the right to an opinion?

I sincerely hope not.

 

[MCFC1993]

Huge own goal for the BBC, they've massively mis-judged this one.

Fair play to all of the pundits and presenters.

 

[Coatigan]

Or you could have said many of your examples also apply to most other countries and governments at one time or another ;)

Yes, and they too have or should have been called out by their societies. As should their national news agencies, shoul they have tried to control or prevent it.

 

[yatesy94.]

Haven't watched MOTD in years if I do it's MOTD 2 as there's much less waffle + better segments like 2 Good 2 Bad and all highlights are in an 1 hour condensed window.

Do not miss pundits like "Wrighty", Shearer, Lineker etc making the same tired jokes & observations week in week out. Highlights on Sky Sports YouTube page an hour after games & City extended highlights are much better viewing in my experience.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think you could well be inadvertently belittling it yourslef, with that reach. And he compared it to 1930s not to 40s, so you (and others that have rushed to that) are the ones linking the two, not him.

It IS the same language, that's the point. And has been for a while. Pointing that out is not necessarily suggesting that what came to pass in Germany a decade after such language was used is in any way likely to happen here, nor is it trivialising what such language ultimately led to. I welcome anyone pointing that out, be it a guy at the pub, someone at the bbc, or footballing pundit i don't normally have time or love for.

Whatever the interpretation (semantic philosophical, political or whatever) of his comment though, the issue here isn't whether you or I agree or disagree with him. It is whether the BBC under pressure from the governemt have the right to stop him making it or not.

I dare guess btw that neither of us two would have even known he made it had it not been turned into fuss news by the bbc.

Are you sure you know what happened in 1930s Germany. I'm not sure you do judging by that statement, in all fairness.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Incidentally, The USA's stance and rhetoric in recent times has also repeatedly been compared to that of 1930s Germany. On a much larger scale. Because it, like that of the UK government, is very similar.

True but the question you need to ask yourself is why didn't Lineaker choose that analogy, a modern day one that peopel can eadily compare, rather than the deliberately contentious 1930s Germany one.

 

[Aba452]

Whenever I get a US stream I'm usually impressed with Robbie Earle, is engaging and provides actual insight. Nedum speaks brilliantly too.

Our main representative in the media is Micah, he is a blue .. ... But he's lightweight, comic relief and as a result there's no weight given to his views. It doesn't help that like Joleon, he doesn't challenge the red shirt narrative. Micah could do worse than take a leaf out of Ian Wright's book who has matured into a mostly reasonable guy.

Her voice might be blast from the Sweeney, but Emma Hayes is a good tactical analyst.

In the UK after years of dumbing down with almost exclusively red shirts, we are where we are. At least tonight there'll be no Stephen Warnock in Primark glasses there to make sure Smith look balanced!

 

[blueinsa]

Huge own goal for the BBC, they've massively mis-judged this one.

Fair play to all of the pundits and presenters.

The pundits and presenters are doing nothing more than what is right for their careers here, let’s get that straight.

Anyone seen to be crossing the imaginary picket line will get dogs abuse and they know it and it is that fact that is forming their stances here rather than any desire to show solidarity to Gary.

This will be tomorrows chippy paper soon enough as it always is and there will be no shortage of presenters lining up to fill his shoes if he doesn’t come back.

 

[dave_blue12]

We're a politically charged, toxic nation filled with people who are quick to portray others as evil and themselves as bastions of moral courage.

Everyone needs to calm the fuck down.

Actually the opposite is true.

Most people in the UK are completely unaware of what is going on.

In truth politicians of any hue should be called out by anyone with a voice when they are deemed to have crossed a line.

Just who draws that line is for each individual to decide.

 

[The Colonel]

I don’t mind a bit of Lineker and co talking shite on a Saturday night. All harmless and definitely not anti City. Not sure where people get that impression from?
Glass or red in hand, football on telly, feet up, no work in the morning. Perfect (unless City have lost).
Too many want constant and instant gratification.

 

[give it to gordon]

The players will be taking the ear before ko

 

[bluetonium]

Have to say, regardless of the controversy created now, I won't be watching or recording it tonight. Don't usually anyway, but no way I want the BBC getting more viewers out of this.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Huge own goal for the BBC, they've massively mis-judged this one.

Fair play to all of the pundits and presenters.

This.
Shame so many Twitter trolls will casually slag off every pundit and presenter but they’ve really stood up to the plate principally on this one and are putting their jobs on the line