The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

west didsblue said:
Mask well and truly slipped now now that we know that you consider every asylum seeker arriving by irregular means as chancers and should be treated as illegal immigrants. That is exactly the view of Braverman and her supporters, a view that is totally at odds with international law and various treaties.
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To say nothing about how it lacks basic human decency.
 
Chris B said:
No, but it is hard to imagine what genuine asylum claim an Albanian could have. Albanians are the single biggest group arriving on the boats by far.
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If you have 20 people in a boat and 18 of those are from 18 different countries and 2 of them are Albanians then the Albanians are the single biggest group in that boat.
There are twice as many Albanians in that boat than any other nationality.
 
Chris B said:
No, but it is hard to imagine what genuine asylum claim an Albanian could have. Albanians are the single biggest group arriving on the boats by far.
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How about women who are being trafficked to be exploited as sex workers? I wonder why 90% of Albanian women who apply for asylum have their applications accepted if there’s no genuine reason?

I see you’re backtracking from all asylum seekers to just Albanian ones. Whilst they made up the largest proportion in 2022 they still made up less than a quarter of the total.

It seems you’re full of shit. Who’d have guessed?
Or maybe you’re still being “meta-satirical”.
 
Chris B said:
No, but it is hard to imagine what genuine asylum claim an Albanian could have. Albanians are the single biggest group arriving on the boats by far.
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See here:

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FACT CHECK: Albanian boat arrivals - Migrant & Refugee Children's Legal Unit

Breaking the Chains is a unique project designed to meet the specific needs of asylum-seeking children and young people from Albania, as one of the most marginalised communities of asylum seekers, by providing a holistic legal representation and advice service which is child-centred and...
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Going back to Lineker’s tweet, I understood it not so much in terms of politics but psychology. He was drawing attention to the first stage of an incremental process that can and has culminated in acts of genocide.

That psychological process is a well-known one that can and has been set in motion by populist politicians on both the Left and the Right, as well as religious extremists who consider themselves to be doing God’s work, and even tribal leaders in the case of the Rwandan genocide.

Time and again, social psychologists like Stanley Milgram and Phillip Zimbardo, as well as teachers like the redoubtable Jane Elliott have demonstrated how our tendency to think tribalistically can be taken advantage of by tyrannical ideologues of a variety of persuasions.

Time and again, Stanley Milgram’s frequently replicated study of obedience to authority has shown that in the wrong circumstances, in spite of our protestations that we would never inflict harm on a fellow human being, roughly two-thirds of us will go on to do precisely just that.

Fortunately, in addition to this process being described in detail in Phillip Zimbardo’s magisterial study The Lucifer Effect, the research I am referring to and some real world examples that illustrate how it plays out have helpfully been depicted in one hour long documentary.

This is a film that I used to show regularly to older secondary school pupils on Holocaust Memorial Day for a number of years.

It is well worth an hour of anyone’s time and can be viewed on YouTube. But here it is anyway:

 
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leighton said:
I thought it was great to watch the highlights with just the noise from the crowd it was so refreshing and if they bring that option in keep it.
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It was really good.

I normally just watch City, and the red shirts if battered, then catch the other match goals on motd2 roundup.

But, this time I watched the, admittedly small, highlights all the way through, and got into the spirit of each game - it did on a few levels feel a lot more real than with the usual commentary.

Save a fortune on names/faces.
I did miss the stats though, but that might just be me!
 
west didsblue said:
How about women who are being trafficked to be exploited as sex workers? I wonder why 90% of Albanian women who apply for asylum have their applications accepted if there’s no genuine reason?

I see you’re backtracking from all asylum seekers to just Albanian ones. Whilst they made up the largest proportion in 2022 they still made up less than a quarter of the total.

It seems you’re full of shit. Who’d have guessed?
Or maybe you’re still being “meta-satirical”.
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If you’re so interested in trafficked Albanian women I suggest you do your own research. Not sure in what way I’m backtracking - I suspect a good number of asylum seekers are effectively illegal immigrants exploiting a very flawed system. I’d like to see a system in place that works and the law enforced to prevent that sort of exploitation. Any system that rewards illegal entry with easily accessed loopholes will end up costing lives.
 
Chris B said:
If you’re so interested in trafficked Albanian women I suggest you do your own research. Not sure in what way I’m backtracking - I suspect a good number of asylum seekers are effectively illegal immigrants exploiting a very flawed system. I’d like to see a system in place that works and the law enforced to prevent that sort of exploitation. Any system that rewards illegal entry with easily accessed loopholes will end up costing lives.
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I’ve already done my research. You probably need to do some yourself. Might be worth your while starting here.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf
You’re backtracking because you changed your definition of chancers from all asylum seekers to just Albanian ones, and you’re wrong there as well.
 
johnnytapia said:
You don’t need a “valid” entry document.
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I do unfortunately. When I go abroad I need a passport and visa or visa waver status. Otherwise I’d get detained at the airport and sent back whence I came. Seems fair enough.
 
Chris B said:
Due process: welcome to the uk do you have a valid entry document? No, well then you’ll be treated as an illegal immigrant. How much more process is required? These people are chancers and should be treated as such.
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Oh wow what a surprising turn that nobody at all could have seen coming.
 
Chris B said:
Due process: welcome to the uk do you have a valid entry document? No, well then you’ll be treated as an illegal immigrant. How much more process is required? These people are chancers and should be treated as such.
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So there we are when it boils down to it you are just another idiot. Ignoring facts no matter how often pointed out to you to hide your support of illegal immoral government policy.
Just be honest you support the governments policies.
 
I become increasingly confused every day by the principles of those on the social right in this country.

“People these days are so afraid of offending people! Everybody is such a snowflake! People should just tell it like it is!”

“No, no, not like that. Somebody stop Gary Tweeting, he’s offending people in his microblogs *snivel*”

Very soft, aren’t they?
 
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