F1 2023 season

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leighton said:
the closest f1 season was 2 years ago but Max was getting closer to Lewis all the time. Sadly last year once Max went in front no one got close to him. I honestly think the same will happen again.
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Yeah 2021 was a brilliant season with some great racing. Everything around it has been pretty bad unfortunately.

We're getting about one truly great season every decade at the moment.

2012 > 2021 > 2030?
 
crooky said:
How was F1 good a few years ago?

Mercedes went through *the* most dominant period in F1 history. Seven straight drivers and constructors championships.

Apart from a few half seasons when Ferrari got their act together it was largely a procession for the Silver Arrows.

Agreed that we desperately need closer competition at the front.
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Eight.

Rosberg won a world title too.
 
domalino said:
It's embarassing that iwthin about an hour AM managed to find 7 recent examples of the rear jack touching a car under drive through penalty and it not being penalised.

But this bit -

"The alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack would constitutre working on the car [...] was incorrect and therefore the basis of the Steward's decision was wrong."

- is 10x worse, the FIA making fools out of themselves and the sport.
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It feels that they are making the rules up as they go a long.

No wonder Sky binned Johnny Herbert for calling it out.
 
crooky said:
How was F1 good a few years ago?

Mercedes went through *the* most dominant period in F1 history. Seven straight drivers and constructors championships.

Apart from a few half seasons when Ferrari got their act together it was largely a procession for the Silver Arrows.

Agreed that we desperately need closer competition at the front.
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And that’s why I can’t understand Toto Wolf being the man moaning the RB dominance is not good for the show. Haven’t heard him saying this when Mercedes dominated for years.

Ofcourse competition is good for the sport. For any sport. But it’s not RB that needs to work on catching up. It’s up to all the other teams. And I for one hope they do.
 
domalino said:
It's embarassing that iwthin about an hour AM managed to find 7 recent examples of the rear jack touching a car under drive through penalty and it not being penalised.

But this bit -

"The alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack would constitutre working on the car [...] was incorrect and therefore the basis of the Steward's decision was wrong."

- is 10x worse, the FIA making fools out of themselves and the sport.
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I still follow the results, but I gave up watching it after the last lap safety car fiasco that handed Max his first title.

It's pretty much the same as any sponsorship funded sport; money talks.
 
crooky said:
Yeah 2021 was a brilliant season with some great racing. Everything around it has been pretty bad unfortunately.

We're getting about one truly great season every decade at the moment.

2012 > 2021 > 2030?
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Back end of the 90's was when it was last really excited me. In 1999, you had Heinz Harold Frentzen who was winning races in a Jordan, and with 3 races to go, still had a realistic chance at winning the title. Plus the cars were a damn site more attractive in the 90's
 
We are up to four teams who can get in the top free. No more on team race, well perhaps a bit of domination from Max!!
 
Since 2009 when Brawn won it the drivers world championship has been won by one of two teams, Red Bull with 6 or Mercedes with 7.

Why the whinging now?
 
eversince 76 said:
And that’s why I can’t understand Toto Wolf being the man moaning the RB dominance is not good for the show. Haven’t heard him saying this when Mercedes dominated for years.

Ofcourse competition is good for the sport. For any sport. But it’s not RB that needs to work on catching up. It’s up to all the other teams. And I for one hope they do.
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Depends on what he said about it. The interview I saw, he said the onus was on the other teams to sort it out.

Given Horners comments when Mercedes were dominating and Wolffs response to those, I’d be very surprised if he was actually moaning about it.
 
meltonblue said:
Depends on what he said about it. The interview I saw, he said the onus was on the other teams to sort it out.

Given Horners comments when Mercedes were dominating and Wolffs response to those, I’d be very surprised if he was actually moaning about it.
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He was in the way we are used from him (and by the way is typical for German managers). And if any he should not have even made the slightest remark in that direction after years of Mercedes making F1 full.
 
eversince 76 said:
He was in the way we are used from him (and by the way is typical for German managers). And if any he should not have even made the slightest remark in that direction after years of Mercedes making F1 full.
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You got a link? I’m intrigued what he said.
 
eversince 76 said:
Just Google.
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I did and I couldn’t find him moaning about it, in fact the first link that comes up is this -

“Mercedes team principal and CEO Toto Wolff says he has no problem with Red Bull bossing the Formula 1 season, calling success in the sport 'a meritocracy'”

That’s what I’d expect him to say given his previous comments when Horner was having a go at Mercedes dominance. If he’s said something else about it I’d agree with you but I haven’t seen it.
 
meltonblue said:
I did and I couldn’t find him moaning about it, in fact the first link that comes up is this -

“Mercedes team principal and CEO Toto Wolff says he has no problem with Red Bull bossing the Formula 1 season, calling success in the sport 'a meritocracy'”

That’s what I’d expect him to say given his previous comments when Horner was having a go at Mercedes dominance. If he’s said something else about it I’d agree with you but I haven’t seen it.
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Google some more mate.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Looks like the only drama we'll get this season is a potential Rosberg/Hamilton situation at Red Bull. I can see one winner of that.
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Given Hamilton's dismissal of Russell finishing ahead of him and how it was "nothing to do with him" we could see another Rosberg/Hamilton situation between Russell/Hamilton as well.

They don't look like the best of teammates to me.
 
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