What has the UK become under the far right influence?
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bluethrunthru
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Its become corrupt
BrianW
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Giving Mayors so much power smacks of the Fuhrerprinzip to me.
However, for example, we once had the Greater Manchester Council, and someone, I forget who, decided it was unnecessary as her party never controlled it. So we had to lash up an alternative, which was inherently less democratic. And this in turn led to the establishment of an elected Mayor, which is where we are at. Whether you like Burnham or not, he gets stuff done more effectively than the old lash-up did.
Of course, the FPTP voting system does not help one bit. In Greater Manchester, it happens (generally) to favour Labour. For example, the City of Manchester has not one single Tory councillor. Do Tories not live there? I think there must be at least 10%. But guess what? The Tories are changing the Mayoral elections from a form of PR to - you guessed it - FPTP. Political genius!
Having said all that, all too many of our citizens do not bother to vote anyway. And then moan about what they get. 'Oh, they're all the same!' they say, as they wallow in apathy.
However, for example, we once had the Greater Manchester Council, and someone, I forget who, decided it was unnecessary as her party never controlled it. So we had to lash up an alternative, which was inherently less democratic. And this in turn led to the establishment of an elected Mayor, which is where we are at. Whether you like Burnham or not, he gets stuff done more effectively than the old lash-up did.
Of course, the FPTP voting system does not help one bit. In Greater Manchester, it happens (generally) to favour Labour. For example, the City of Manchester has not one single Tory councillor. Do Tories not live there? I think there must be at least 10%. But guess what? The Tories are changing the Mayoral elections from a form of PR to - you guessed it - FPTP. Political genius!
Having said all that, all too many of our citizens do not bother to vote anyway. And then moan about what they get. 'Oh, they're all the same!' they say, as they wallow in apathy.
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We’ve become accustomed to staying quiet “do not rock the boat do not protest or support striking miners” miners that was the 70s generation
But we all sit back and watch the current No10 incumbents destroy our essential services “Heartbreaking“
We are paying for ministers to wreck the NHS, Education slowly being privatised by the back door in favour of the US model and blaming immigrants for it all.
The news is nothing but Tory propaganda imo but sadly let’s face it we don’t care enough.
But we all sit back and watch the current No10 incumbents destroy our essential services “Heartbreaking“
We are paying for ministers to wreck the NHS, Education slowly being privatised by the back door in favour of the US model and blaming immigrants for it all.
The news is nothing but Tory propaganda imo but sadly let’s face it we don’t care enough.
dronefromsector7G
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Meanwhile in France, Bordeaux’s town hall is set on fire because of plans to increase the retirement age
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That’s the thing that set me off the Kings visit postponed in France because of rioting over an increase of 2 years on pension at 60 years
Our children will not be able to retire until 68 yrs. some will never draw a pension it’s a crafty move, most people who grafted for a living will be dead or not fit to work over the age of 60yrs
The other thing for me was the teacher who committed suicide over branding her school inadequate. Academy is the back door to private education, failing schools will become an Academy “private“ trusts.
The government will no longer be in control of the schools US style education.
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I hate our government more and more. They’d privatise oxygen if they could
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Last time we had riots was because a gun-carrying drug dealer was shot by the police.
You can raise our UK pension age to 75 but don't stop our drug pushers...
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We had a small riot over illegals attacking a girl In Liverpool nothing in comparison to the French they still know how to riot properly
Liverpool are still in the main feisty the rest of us are square-eyed.
Liverpool are still in the main feisty the rest of us are square-eyed.
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remember arthur mann
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Love them.
You misspelt refugees.
And you misspelt “baseless racist rumours about girls being attacked that was later proven to have never fucking happened”
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Slaps hand! I wasn’t wearing my reading glasses :) I should have used smashed up our bus instead but the fight was knocked out of us with football hooliganism
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A pathway to a 3rd world country
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Apart from the language used, isn‘t your post a load of bollox unless you choose to believe the disinformation?
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This was the post I made regarding “what has Britain become”
I’m well aware of the language used by the media on the news “illegal“ was used but that’s not how I think of people risking their lives to cross the channel
Which information is that?
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It's a state where some people have taken their lead from Boris, and the irresponsible and dysfunctional Tory party he carved out. Personal, political, social responsibility is rejected. Instead, it is clearly their time to take full advantage of the chance as an individual of the opportunity to use, misuse, abuse, the things that belong to everyone.
Example. Builder opposite me. Parks his truck and car on the grass verge by the bus stop. First it became a muddy mess. Then he started unloading rubbish and stuff overnight. Coincidentally, this means loads of cement powder must have fallen out of the bags, and it's now practically a concrete driveway for him.
Example. The supermarket and our locale have been over run by rats. The supermarket has done fuck all. The supermarket doesn't care that the local students and others have left masses of food and other rubbish brought from their shop lying around. It doesn't even clean it's own yard up properly, rubbish goes everywhere. Because profit! In fact most of the local litter picking is done by volunteers. Morrisons both take advantage of that service, started because local govt was stretched, and they ruin our environment and health. And the managers don't care because it's profit vs costs, 100% in their mind. Because it only changes if the atmosphere, the expectation around them changes, or they can be held to account.
On the same subject, our housing association messed up it's attempt to sort the rat problem, big time. But ultimately, by getting them to walk round with us, they've seen their mistake, and have finally gotten rid of them. It's a month since I've seen one around here - it used to be you could see half a dozen twice, three times a day. They've also finally done something about tenants who leave dog mess and fag ends everywhere. Just some letters, a couple of meetings with individuals. That's all it took.
Boris is the guy who says, no, no no. No letters! Stop nannying people! You want to crush these people like Big Brother? No, I will not allow it! He dressed it up as liberalism, because that goes down well with some inadequate Tory types. But really, it was all about there being no chance anyone ever expected anything to work, to be done thoroughly, and no chance whatsoever that anyone could hold him to account for his actions or behaviour, and no chance that it would all be about long standing conventions and rules, let alone the careful application of the written law. So many examples where he's done this.
On top of 12 years of mindless cuts - many of which will have led to deeper expenses being incurred down the line - this late stage Tory government have overseen a society that is, to me, as dysfunctional as that my parents used to speak of, when in the last 70's, trade unionism kept acting in it's own interests, was insulated from being held to account or responsibility, and a shabby mess of a labour party led us to a situation where industry was turning out pathetic products, the whole sector had written it's suicide note, and on the streets, the rubbish piled high as the binmen and other services 'simply stopped working'.
This is the same. It's just politicians, bankers, businessmen, and plenty of individuals taking the piss this time, rather than the trade unions. It is time for this country to get a grip. Cause and effect exists, and it has always been possible to agree on 'reality' where it matters. Refusing to admit that is to start playing a game where you want to take advantage of society and all it offers and never acknowledge anything is real unless you will it to be so, in order that you have no responsibilities and will face no negative consequences.
Example. Builder opposite me. Parks his truck and car on the grass verge by the bus stop. First it became a muddy mess. Then he started unloading rubbish and stuff overnight. Coincidentally, this means loads of cement powder must have fallen out of the bags, and it's now practically a concrete driveway for him.
Example. The supermarket and our locale have been over run by rats. The supermarket has done fuck all. The supermarket doesn't care that the local students and others have left masses of food and other rubbish brought from their shop lying around. It doesn't even clean it's own yard up properly, rubbish goes everywhere. Because profit! In fact most of the local litter picking is done by volunteers. Morrisons both take advantage of that service, started because local govt was stretched, and they ruin our environment and health. And the managers don't care because it's profit vs costs, 100% in their mind. Because it only changes if the atmosphere, the expectation around them changes, or they can be held to account.
On the same subject, our housing association messed up it's attempt to sort the rat problem, big time. But ultimately, by getting them to walk round with us, they've seen their mistake, and have finally gotten rid of them. It's a month since I've seen one around here - it used to be you could see half a dozen twice, three times a day. They've also finally done something about tenants who leave dog mess and fag ends everywhere. Just some letters, a couple of meetings with individuals. That's all it took.
Boris is the guy who says, no, no no. No letters! Stop nannying people! You want to crush these people like Big Brother? No, I will not allow it! He dressed it up as liberalism, because that goes down well with some inadequate Tory types. But really, it was all about there being no chance anyone ever expected anything to work, to be done thoroughly, and no chance whatsoever that anyone could hold him to account for his actions or behaviour, and no chance that it would all be about long standing conventions and rules, let alone the careful application of the written law. So many examples where he's done this.
On top of 12 years of mindless cuts - many of which will have led to deeper expenses being incurred down the line - this late stage Tory government have overseen a society that is, to me, as dysfunctional as that my parents used to speak of, when in the last 70's, trade unionism kept acting in it's own interests, was insulated from being held to account or responsibility, and a shabby mess of a labour party led us to a situation where industry was turning out pathetic products, the whole sector had written it's suicide note, and on the streets, the rubbish piled high as the binmen and other services 'simply stopped working'.
This is the same. It's just politicians, bankers, businessmen, and plenty of individuals taking the piss this time, rather than the trade unions. It is time for this country to get a grip. Cause and effect exists, and it has always been possible to agree on 'reality' where it matters. Refusing to admit that is to start playing a game where you want to take advantage of society and all it offers and never acknowledge anything is real unless you will it to be so, in order that you have no responsibilities and will face no negative consequences.
bluethrunthru
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I think he was referring to this baseless Daily Heil reported rabble rousing article - sadly the easily led such as him believe it without recognising their inbuilt bias
Violent riot outside migrant hotel was sparked by online video
The clip showed the man asking the 15-year-old, wearing school uniform, for her number. The teenager, who filmed the exchange asked the bearded man his age.
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So this week we've had Starmer vowing to crackdown on weed and this morning Gove, somewhat ironically, harping on about the scourge of laughing gas. Presumably the jumpsuits Sunak has in mind will be orange.
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The issue with tories and the difference between them and labour is that tories are all about the PR and the optics. They don't really care about the detail or making things work as bottom line is they wont want to fund it. Any conversations around making things better ultimately lead to discussions around funding and at the high level they just want to cut tax so the answer will be no - or make it look like we are doing things. So you get endless announcements about initiatives but its all the same budget just getting re badged. And politicians detached from the problems as they don't want to discuss the reality of the solution.