Attendance Facts - MCFC & LFC Comparison

[Brightwell Bros.]

I think there's probably a grain of truth in the fact that when times are good it's harder to a ticket to a big game at Anfield as there is at Eastlands, and that Liverpool have a bigger "reserve" crowd in London and the south-east to fill out places like Wembley for semi finals. I think this is changing at City (who knew a decade of success would generate more global support???), and I have zero doubt that the gobbiest social media losers most obsessed by this wouldn't be able to find Liverpool on a map.

 

[Axel Freed]

Great article Gary.

For years I’ve quietened irritating scousers by comparing our 84,569 to their 61000 record crowd. When they said that’s just an isolated one off I pointed out that their average home League crowd for any one season had never been as high as our highest average was.

Horrible club, horrible fans …… great to be able to put them in their place with some incontrovertible facts

 

[fallowfield]

I don't see point in comparing ourselves to them or United in terms of fanbase.
They've got loads more fans than us, so what, I wouldn't want to be like they are with fans in every town and city around the country

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

Way back on 30 March 1982, Liverpool - then the holders of the European Cup and on their way to yet another title win (their fifth in seven years) - had a home game against Birmingham City. They attracted a crowd of 24,224.

That same night, Sheffield United played a fourth division game at home to Bradford City and drew a bigger crowd. There were 24,593 at Bramall Lane that evening.

Last game of 80/81 season. The most successful club in England. #Pitiful support.

 

[eastmanc]

Sorry Gary but Scousers don't do "facts" as we all know from the last few years

Yeah, Gary is pissing in the wind trying to convince anyone who isn't a blue about our attendances.

 

[eastmanc]

Yes. The most hypocritical and sanctimonious set of cu ts you could ever wish ti meet. Also, look at some of their European Cup attendances in the early 80s. Low 20s a few times

I remember my old Dad telling me that when City played them in the early sixties we always had more fans on the kop than they had.

 

[eastmanc]

Great article Gary.

For years I’ve quietened irritating scousers by comparing our 84,569 to their 61000 record crowd. When they said that’s just an isolated one off I pointed out that their average home League crowd for any one season had never been as high as our highest average was.

Horrible club, horrible fans …… great to be able to put them in their place with some incontrovertible facts

Like someone said they don't do facts.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I don't see point in comparing ourselves to them or United in terms of fanbase.
They've got loads more fans than us, so what, I wouldn't want to be like they are with fans in every town and city around the country

Exactly, they are the two most successful clubs in English football and during our 30 odd year mismanagement they were mopping up the trophies. During that time you’d be a lunatic to choose support City rather than the ones who were born into it. I don’t see a period of one team dominating like they both did anymore so I don’t see any other team hijacking all the casual fans and people who want to be attached to a team that is successful. However I was on a Microsoft Teams call with someone who supported Sheffield Wednesday and their young son who was mad about football wanted a City kit because of Haaland. Maybe times are changing.

 

[bongsblue]

Thank you for this Gary. Like us all I have had to listen to this nonsense for some time. The magical European nights at Anfield was one that always made me smile. When I did a quick analysis of attendances at Liverpool's home matches, for their first 5 European Cup triumphs (data from Liverpools own website), I was surprised, or perhaps I wasn't, to find that the average number at those games was around 35000. Yes there were a few over 50K, some of which I saw on the TV, St Etienne springs to mind, but there you have it, hoisted by their own petard. Liverpool, truth and myth.

 

[solley attwell]

Not forgetting that famous night under the lights at anfield when in Sept 1982 12,021 paid in to watch a European cup match v Dundalk. Surely another record that they beat us on. I know the final in Vienna was only 9000 but have we ever had a smaller home European attendance?

 

[Gary James]

I don't see point in comparing ourselves to them or United in terms of fanbase.
They've got loads more fans than us, so what, I wouldn't want to be like they are with fans in every town and city around the country

The point is that they compare themselves to us and try to ridicule but when research is done it’s clear that the facts work favourably towards City. That‘s what the article shows.

 

[J.G.Blue.]

Its always puzzled me why other fans (usually the rags & dippers) are so obsessed with our support compared to theres, most normal people dont choose there club by the amount of fans they get? its usually where you live or family tradition,
It would seem a lot of there fans especially those based in London, Dublin, Norway etc started supporting there club just because they were successful & had a lot of fans which to me is just odd & a real sign of insecurity & weakness.
I think our support over the years has been amazing considering some of the rubbish we have had to put up with.

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

I remember my old Dad telling me that when City played them in the early sixties we always had more fans on the kop than they had.

Before they hit the Pools jackpot.

 

[77lost by a point]

I’ve seen more nonsense in the last few days about attendances at City and Liverpool so I’ve dug out some analysis and posted an article that I hope will be useful to any City fan who has had enough of silly jibes from LFC.

Basically, City have had a higher average attendance than LIverpool for all but 5 of the past 20 years. In addition Liverpool’s lowest crowd each season has been lower than City’s for every season but 5.

Also, the 3 lowest PL crowds experienced by either club since 2003 are all for LFC games, not City’s.

I explain more but basically they’ve officially had over 10,000 ’empty seats’ for PL games. We have too, but we’ve not experienced a lower league crowd than LFC’s lowest in last 20 years. In any case we don’t go on about empty seats at Anfield but they do go on about that at the Etihad so I think facts are important.

Details:

MCFC & LFC: Attendance Malarky

For some reason whenever Manchester City and Liverpool are due to meet at the Etihad there’s quite a lot of nonsense said about attendances so I thought I’d best get some analysis done …

gjfootballarchive.com

That's got to be manufactured.
Signed Simon Jordan.

 

[City Mike 1969]

Nice work Dr Gary although as others have mentioned, it won't stop the gobshites from pedalling their BS. Every single game there'll be some idiot on, for instance, BBC's HYS chatting utter crap about 'swathes of empty seats' when, if someone had been anal enough, they might have seen 2 or 3 empty seats in whatever section of a stand happened to be on the TV screen at any given time.

I can live with that - people, as we know, allow their tribalism to make lying fools out of themselves (I do this myself when discussing the last game of the 1973/74 season) - what annoys me is when paid professionals (pundits, commentators and the like) feel the need to chuck their dishonest tuppence worth out into the pubic sphere.

 

[eastmanc]

Before they hit the Pools jackpot.

Yeah that's right.

 

[Gary James]

Nice work Dr Gary although as others have mentioned, it won't stop the gobshites from pedalling their BS. Every single game there'll be some idiot on, for instance, BBC's HYS chatting utter crap about 'swathes of empty seats' when, if someone had been anal enough, they might have seen 2 or 3 empty seats in whatever section of a stand happened to be on the TV screen at any given time.

I can live with that - people, as we know, allow their tribalism to make lying fools out of themselves (I do this myself when discussing the last game of the 1973/74 season) - what annoys me is when paid professionals (pundits, commentators and the like) feel the need to chuck their dishonest tuppence worth out into the pubic sphere.

Maybe I’ll tackle the ‘cost of City’s bench’ next. That’s one that seems as ludicrous.

 

[Axel Freed]

The point is that they compare themselves to us and try to ridicule but when research is done it’s clear that the facts work favourably towards City. That‘s what the article shows.

It’s an interesting point you make in the article that the only way to determine attendances accurately is by tickets sold. The empty seats jibe from scousers is merely based on a tv camera quickly panning across a stand or a misleading photo in the paper of a stand just after half time or anecdotal evidence of empty seats all of which of course are not facts based. This also applies to their absurd over estimation of their parade turnouts which they contrast with carefully chosen pics of our parades, usually taken by saddo rags hours before the parade has started

The numbers don’t lie and if you also factor in the upward trajectory of our attendance figures compared to theirs it’s quite clear that the future’s blue.

 

[City Mike 1969]

Maybe I’ll tackle the ‘cost of City’s bench’ next. That’s one that seems as ludicrous.

...and when you've cleared that one up, you can look into the mythical 'massive' squad that allegedly consists of 2 separate first teams both capable of winning the league...

 

[Gary James]

...and when you've cleared that one up, you can look into the mythical 'massive' squad that allegedly consists of 2 separate first teams both capable of winning the league...

Good one. City have a massive squad…. Err, no it’s the same size as everyone else’s. It might be better but it’s the same size.