VAR thread 2022/23

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They must think we are daft,release audio from a number of games and then it’ll be see nothing untoward going on it’s all in your heads,and as already posted by some until it’s transparent and available to all be that at the ground or at home watching then there’s still going to be that they have something to hide which actually in my opinion they do ..
 
Stephen230 said:
FIFA forbid any league from airing live audio.
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I am aware. And that is a restriction that is there for a (very dubious) reason but must be removed.

Releasing select, easily edited audio, well after matches, in a highly produced, controlled manner, is just a narrative crafting strategy.

It no more adds transparency than Ref Watch does.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am aware. And that is a restriction that is there for a (very dubious) reason but must be removed.

Releasing select, easily edited audio, well after matches, in a highly produced, controlled manner, is just a narrative crafting strategy.

It no more adds transparency than Ref Watch does.
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Yup cynical stuff
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Computer says yes/no

Still offside by an armpit, which in my book isn't what VAR was sold to us as.

We'll still be told that Lindeloff didn't commit a handball and that Rat-face and Big-nose aren't diving at every opportunity.
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Quite fucking right. I blame Collina for this ridiculous notion that offside is a matter of fact and so can be a yes/no down to the precise millisecond and millimetre. It's all bollocks. Offside should be a judgment call in real time with all its human frailties like everything else in the game. VAR wants to review it? Do it from one angle at real speed. If you can't tell it's offside from one looking, forget it.

Linesmen do an incredible job on offsides. I have no idea how they do it. Let them get on with it. Just correct the few that are obviously wrong. Consistent with the way all the other decisions are reviewed now as well.
 
When we can listen to the audio from any contentious decision I will be happyish.

For example, that debacle with the lindlehoff handball, are they going to release that audio... Never. It will just highlight the ineptitude going on, or the confusion.

and someone above mentioned judgement.... This is the most critical part of the whole shitshow. Most decisions are judgements, and VAR should never be used for that, that just leads to 5 people all with contradicting judgements trying to hammer out a decisions. It should always be the one man in the middle.

Its a fucking judgement game, when are they going to realise this!
 
All for more transparency but no chance even if all audio for the full 90 was released it would make much difference to people thinking it's any less corrupt - every word they say will be scrutinized and taken out of context. Happy to be proven wrong.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
All for more transparency but no chance even if all audio for the full 90 was released it would make much difference to people thinking it's any less corrupt - every word they say will be scrutinized and taken out of context. Happy to be proven wrong.
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That depends, of course.

If they discuss issues rationally, knowledgeably and consistently on the basis of simple rules that everyone can follow, then the only people who will be unhappy will be the people the decisions go against. That's a pretty small sub-group.

If they just make it up as they go along, using different criteria every week and depending who is playing, then they will be crucified and quite rightly.

I, for one, would really like to get back to the days when I thought referees were just doing a very difficult job to the best of their ability. Rashford's non-offside really pushed me beyond that but listening to their decision-making may help. Or may not, depending how good they are.
 
VAR did brilliant to overturn that penalty decision in the Milan match

Yet Mcmanaman and Rio both going mad saying how it was a penalty - that’s now questioned the ‘get ex players on VAR’ argument for me.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
VAR did brilliant to overturn that penalty decision in the Milan match

Yet Mcmanaman and Rio both going mad saying how it was a penalty - that’s now questioned the ‘get ex players on VAR’ argument for me.
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Well, clearly you would need ex-players who know what the fuck they are talking about for that to work.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
VAR did brilliant to overturn that penalty decision in the Milan match

Yet Mcmanaman and Rio both going mad saying how it was a penalty - that’s now questioned the ‘get ex players on VAR’ argument for me.
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How was it 'brilliant'?
The ref's sujective decision was foul
Then they sent him to the telly where he made another subjective decision.
There was nothing 'clear and obvious' that he missed in the first place and there was nowt 'clear and obvious' after he'd watched numerous replays.

So why did he change his mind?
 
stonerblue said:
How was it 'brilliant'?
The ref's sujective decision was foul
Then they sent him to the telly where he made another subjective decision.
There was nothing 'clear and obvious' that he missed in the first place and there was nowt 'clear and obvious' after he'd watched numerous replays.

So why did he change his mind?
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It was never a pen
 
stonerblue said:
How was it 'brilliant'?
The ref's sujective decision was foul
Then they sent him to the telly where he made another subjective decision.
There was nothing 'clear and obvious' that he missed in the first place and there was nowt 'clear and obvious' after he'd watched numerous replays.

So why did he change his mind?
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The cynic would say no one would watch a 2nd leg semi where the result is already determined.
 
Just seen some of the incidents from yesterday's games.

The kane one is disappointing, he initiates contact and I don't think it's a penalty. But if the rules say contact and nothing about who initiated it then.... Well, United made a history out of that.

But the palace one is disgraceful. Anderson clearly punched Lerma in the face, he's broken his nose apparently. Palace go on to win 2-0. Retrospective action surely has to follow, but for var to justify that as no intent as there was no backswing is ridiculous. Rabbit punch to the nose, clear as day, and looks intentional anyway from all angles.
 
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