PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Absolutely. The forum is a better place for their views.

But I do wish they would try to explain to non-legals in a less legal way, sometimes. 99% of the people on here don't have any legal training, so sometimes pick up the wrong end of the legal argument stick purely from the way it is explained. A better way to explain the right to appeal would be to say there IS a right of appeal in certain, unlikely circumstances, rather than saying there is no right of appeal except in certain, unlikely circumstances. People are looking to the experts on here for comfort as well as legal explanation. A little comfort would go a long way on a particularly stressful issue, imho.

My point is more psychological than legal maybe.

Maybe I have no point.

Maybe there is no point at all, anywhere.

Philosophical as well as psychological then :)
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Ric said:
No worries, I didn't take it personally as I'm far from an expert in this field. But there are others who are, and the notion that they are guilty of fear mongering or abject pessimism is a bit out of order. They are calling it as they see it, based on their knowledge and experience. I, for one, appreciate their honesty and forthright views.
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As do I. Its why I left in the caveat of it possibly being bad or inaccurate information. I guess it's more of an "if the shoe fits" application. I have to believe some, a few, what have you, are on the pessimistic side and some could be playing the role of contrarian. Most, as you say, are probably trying their best to provide some viable information.
I still disagree with anyone saying we have no recourse regardless of their motives for believing so.
 
Dinas said:
All as I suspected but it won't stop people quoting the drive!. If that sort of thing was presented in a student dissertation it would be heavily criticised. It makes me so angry that they have the audacity to publish such flawed information. Thanks for the info btw.
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It's not flawed if it draws the desired hits
 
I'm Blue said:
Over 50% understand what City are charged with?
That’s clearly bollocks.
Question any of them and once you’ve picked holes in everything they’ve said, they’ll finish with “you’re still cheats”
Been there done that.
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"What Premier League fans think..."

So they 'think' they understand. The brightest and the best on here don't even understand what we've been charged with
 
The Reckless Pen said:
2. The Limitations Act 1980

I understand that, but discrepancies between Rules and Laws undermines the PL's case and our lawyers will start with that. The Limitations Act 1980 destroys a lot of the PL's evidence if it's applicable.

Para 174 of the CAS Arbitration Award found that the LImitation Period ended with the Referral Decision on 15th May 2019, so the Limitation Period for the charges brought in the Referral Decision started to run on 15th May 2014 (5 year limitation) Breaches committed as from 15th May 2014 therefore fell within the Limitation Period and may be prosecuted, while prosecution of breaches committed prior to such date is barred by application of Article 37 CFCB Procedural Rules.

Using the same logic, the PL would only be able to investigate any alleged breaches going back to 15th May 2013 (6 year limitation) or when they discovered the alleged fraud, concealment or mistake.

Hacked Emails 14th April 2010, 6th September 2012, 7th December 2012 would still be inadmissible and time barred but emails 29th August 2013 and 11th December 2013 and “undated” email and “total cash” sheet could be prosecuted if proven to be breaches. That's half the PL's evidence time barred and dismissed.

Another thought, if the PL's FFP didn't start until 2014, then all the hacked emails could be inadmissible.
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I seriously doubt this has anything to do with how admissible or not the hacked emails are, or how relevant (as evidence) to it all they even are.

That has not been the PL's nor the Club's approach. The PL are citing the club accounts and books in their investigation, there has been no mention of the hacked emails. The club have at no point challenged the validity or the timing of the information the PL have.

They have claimed they have been completely open and transparent with the PL and given all the books and documents for scrutiny. Up until a point, aftet the 2018 books, when they unilaterally decided the investigation can't go on indefinitely, and with CAS concluding as they did they decided the PL had enough to conclude their own investigation. Which is what the non-cooperation charge refers to.


I also doubt the club would be satisfied with an outcome that concludes they are not guilty because of inadmissible or mistimed evidence. Like at CAS, they seem happy for everything to be examined, and are confident in what they are putting forward.
 
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HelloCity said:
If anyone on here has still got a subscription to this rag then that’s just weird at this point.
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Great content for several other sports I follow and also some very good articles on City by the likes of Michael Cox etc around tactics and so on. Much better than any of the other news streams.
 
I'm Blue said:
Over 50% understand what City are charged with?
That’s clearly bollocks.
Question any of them and once you’ve picked holes in everything they’ve said, they’ll finish with “you’re still cheats”
Been there done that.
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Hard to imagine anyone believing City are cheats who will then admit they haven't a clue what we're charged with.
 
citizen_maine said:
"What Premier League fans think..."

So they 'think' they understand. The brightest and the best on here don't even understand what we've been charged with
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Dan's poll must have included a section for respondents to provide a detailed explanation of the charges and Dan scrutinised those responses against the actual charges. Or perhaps not. "Journalists" are thick
 
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