Teen dies in electric bike crash in Salford.

These electric bikes need regulating.

I used to have a Vespa PX 125cc scooter. Lovely thing and I miss it dearly but that’s for another thread.

Anyway to ride one of those you need a licence, insurance, tax and registration plus you need to go on a day long basic motorcycle training course, and that’s just to have ‘L’ plates and only valid for two years. If you want to ride one without L plates you need a proper motorbike license.

The thing was slow as hell and topped out at about 50mph.

These electric bikes are way more rapid than two stroke scooters yet any kid can just go on Amazon and buy one. No licence, no insurance, nothing. It’s fucking mental and the law isn’t fit for purpose.
Yep,spot on.The amount of regulations,jumping through hoops and hardwork,involved in obtaining a full licence is there for a reason.....the fact any dickhead can access one of these chavvy deathtraps is ridiculous and unacceptable.The law has to change asap.
 
Yep,spot on.The amount of regulations,jumping through hoops and hardwork,involved in obtaining a full licence is there for a reason.....the fact any dickhead can access one of these chavvy deathtraps is ridiculous and unacceptable.The law has to change asap.

The law needs updating urgently. There’s a massive difference between one of those small electric scooters people use for fun / commuting that go about as fast as a bicycle, and something that is effectively a high powered electric motorcycle.

The technology is awesome and I’m sure they are wicked fun to use, but as you say there’s a reason getting a motorbike license isn’t easy.
 
Report on BBC now saying that the ambulance “ was moving but not responding to an incident, just returning to base”.
Electric bikes are limited to 15mph, but the restrictor can easily be bypassed.
Whatever the circumstances, it’s still a tragic loss of a young life.
 
Nearly ran one over a couple of days ago. He went bombing straight through a red light in front of me, didn't give two fucks. Not the most classy way to go either if i had got him, being run over by my ancient VW Polo. Pavements, red lights, driving into traffic. All fair game in levenshulme. I'll have to aim better next time.
 
These electric bikes need regulating.

I used to have a Vespa PX 125cc scooter. Lovely thing and I miss it dearly but that’s for another thread.

Anyway to ride one of those you need a licence, insurance, tax and registration plus you need to go on a day long basic motorcycle training course, and that’s just to have ‘L’ plates and only valid for two years. If you want to ride one without L plates you need a proper motorbike license.

The thing was slow as hell and topped out at about 50mph.

These electric bikes are way more rapid than two stroke scooters yet any kid can just go on Amazon and buy one. No licence, no insurance, nothing. It’s fucking mental and the law isn’t fit for purpose.
They usually top out at 15.5mph and wearing a helmet would protect you from any sudden impact with minimal risk to life to the rider. I mean a collision at 15mph, it hurts, but you recover quite quickly. Clearly many of these requirements have been broken or not followed (it's possible to 'alter' the top speed from 15.5 to 28 with enough tinkering, for example) and, just assuming here, I highly doubt a helmet was being worn in this instance.

I wouldn't see any reason to place tax, insurance etc on a 15mph eBike/scooter, mostly because what do you base the tax on? Non-emissions? (Because you'd also have to add this new non-emissions tax on car drivers as well, but that's another debate) Insurance? It's about £2 a month, so hardly a prohibitive measure. And if you can ride a pushbike, you can ride an eBike. There's not much really to 'learn'. The boost of speed does require some awareness, but not in the form of a test. Bikeability training would easily prepare unassuming riders for that change. Hell, they allow you to test ride eBikes in stores to 'see for yourself' the change in speed.

No, for me the issue here that was responsible for the accident was the defective lump of meat in the middle.
 
It's the new (Scouse type) narrative of Police having the nerve to do their job.
So what if the police were chasing/following them at the time?
I hate the way the press are trying to say the Police "caused" these deaths.

"My poor Jonny. He was only travelling at 50mph on a pavement whilst going about his drugs business in a friendly kind of way"
"Then these brutal bastards had the cheek to follow him. Who do they think they are hassling innocent criminals when there are plenty of guilty motorists they could be fining"

Kids (mainly in hoodies) on these things are the new scourge. Speeding on and off the pavements, weaving through traffic and red lights. We will soon be hearing of pedestrians deaths on a regular basis.

Some have now figured how to make e-bikes wheelie, and think it fun to play chicken with cars to make them swerve.
Well i've got news for some parent of here. I will NOT be swerving. If little Jonny wants to be big bollocks, my car will protect me. Yes i will brake and make every effort to avoid a crash, but i won't be swerving. I won't put others in danger for people who make the choice to be knobs...
 
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I see,elsewhere [for now],the usual dickhead types are shifting the blame on to the Police.....Thoughts also to the ambulance crew,having to quite literally pick up the pieces.
I drive down Langworthy Road most days on the way to work, there’s loads of these kids with these bikes and the obligatory balaclava going up and down it, like a previous poster stated, if the Police are following you then just stop.
 
I can ride my pedal bike up to 40mph for limited periods. I'm experienced enough to know when I can, and through driving and cycling for many years I have developed a road craft that tends to keep me out of trouble.

It seems this kid was riding something with a performance way greater than his ability/experience in an unsuitable environment. We see it an awful lot with car drivers and high performance vehicles. No amount of tests or insurance can account for that.
 
Some of these bikes are fast. I own a road push bike with a speedo and will often be riding at 17 mph and these zoom past me like they're a motorbike.

Got talking to a lad riding a Trek one who flies past me often and he reckons he gets 40+mph out of his.
 
I can ride my pedal bike up to 40mph for limited periods. I'm experienced enough to know when I can, and through driving and cycling for many years I have developed a road craft that tends to keep me out of trouble.

It seems this kid was riding something with a performance way greater than his ability/experience in an unsuitable environment. We see it an awful lot with car drivers and high performance vehicles. No amount of tests or insurance can account for that.
You can do 40!? Jesus!

Max i've ever reached was 28 and that was with the wind behind me.
 
I believe a few elderly people have been already knocked down and killed by these knobheads..be like a mad max film in the future
 
I can ride my pedal bike up to 40mph for limited periods. I'm experienced enough to know when I can, and through driving and cycling for many years I have developed a road craft that tends to keep me out of trouble.

It seems this kid was riding something with a performance way greater than his ability/experience in an unsuitable environment. We see it an awful lot with car drivers and high performance vehicles. No amount of tests or insurance can account for that.
As soon as you pass your test you can immediately get a high powered car. Maybe there should be a regulation that limits you to a low performance vehicle, same as 125cc after passing bike test. ;)
 

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