PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prophet of Doom]

Newcastle have joined the party at the top of the PL and Abramovich (who apparently opposed City) has left the scene. Meanwhile the Government is pushing forward with an independent regulator which will take most of the powers away from the PL in terms of sanctioning member clubs. The long game is paying off for City no matter how frustrating it has been for us fans.

And the whole landscape has changed since the smear campaign started. Any new owner of MUFC may not be so keen to waste time on a feud with City. The same is true at Liverpool where Fenway are apparently looking to sell. The dynamic has also changed with other PL clubs who have tried to damage us. Arsenal have restored relations with City since Arteta went there and Levy is much weaker because of the crisis at Spurs.
Newcastle have joined the party at the top of the PL and Abramovich (who apparently opposed City) has left the scene. Meanwhile the Government is pushing forward with an independent regulator which will take most of the powers away from the PL in terms of sanctioning member clubs. The long game is paying off for City no matter how frustrating it has been for us fans.

I think you are being a tad optimistic there. Every team you mentioned are desperate for City to be punished and nothing has changed.

It was only 4 months ago that the PL referred us probably on the back of pressure from other teams so any idea that the other clubs have gone soft is nonsense.

EVERY rival benefits from City being screwed. Any takeovers won’t change that.

And any appointment of a Regulator won’t make a difference to any of offences that City face.

 

[Blue_eyes]

If I was going to have a bet on the outcome of the whole charade,it would be on a verdict that keeps the current status quo.....

Everyone is unhappy.

They wouldn't be rocking all over the world then?



"TAXI!!!"

Lets be honest, they all just want us to go down...............down deeper and down.

 

[theres only one carlito]

It's what is often referred to as a smear campaign, usually they run for days/weeks/months, in this case its years running into decades.

This isn't about the findings or the legalities, it's the established elite throwing as much shit as they can muster to the media and hoping as much of it as possible sticks.

To be fair, their strategy has worked pretty well in terms of the consistent coverage, I just don't think that they judged how resilient our club and owners could be. Likely they expected us to be back in our little box years ago. How catastrophically wrong they were

It’s Classic propaganda, next they will dropping leaflets from the skies. With quotes from prisoners in UAE and their tale of inhumane conditions.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I think you are being a tad optimistic there. Every team you mentioned are desperate for City to be punished and nothing has changed.

It was only 4 months ago that the PL referred us probably on the back of pressure from other teams so any idea that the other clubs have gone soft is nonsense.

EVERY rival benefits from City being screwed. Any takeovers won’t change that.

And any appointment of a Regulator won’t make a difference to any of offences that City face.

You may be right but my gut feeling is that a lot of the hostile press coverage has calmed down apart from a small bunch of conspiracy theorist loons. If a Qatari buys United the fake concept of "sportswashing" will never be mentioned again. I am optimistic the tide has turned.

 

[1961_vintage]

I am optimistic the tide has turned.

But it will still be awash with raw sewage.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

the Mancini contract is time-barred.

Not sure where you got that idea from. This has been discussed on here previously.

My understanding is that the PL rules don't have a specific limitation clause but there's a six year limitation period in English Contract Law, so generally contracts over six years old (longer in some cases) are time-barred from legal action.

However if there's suspected criminality involved then that limitation can be laid aside. And we are being accused of providing false accounts, which is a criminal offence. So they can potentially go back as far as they want.

But, as I've said before, and so has Stefan, the Mancini contract is a complete red herring. Even if we were found to have breached the rules over that, it's not material in any way, given we were making huge losses at that time.

 

[LongsightM13]

Think we'll have an idea on a transfer ban in how this window goes :)

Just a gut-feeling guess, based on zero evidence
But there will no doubt be a political, face-saving fudge. That’s exactly what happened at CAS
We go nuclear this summer, and EDS lads go out on loans rather than buybacks, which may hamstring us in the event of a transfer window ban
So potentially some difficult decisions to be made on some lads

 

[Len Rum]

Not sure where you got that idea from. This has been discussed on here previously.

My understanding is that the PL rules don't have a specific limitation clause but there's a six year limitation period in English Contract Law, so generally contracts over six years old (longer in some cases) are time-barred from legal action.

However if there's suspected criminality involved then that limitation can be laid aside. And we are being accused of providing false accounts, which is a criminal offence. So they can potentially go back as far as they want.

But, as I've said before, and so has Stefan, the Mancini contract is a complete red herring. Even if we were found to have breached the rules over that, it's not material in any way, given we were making huge losses at that time.

Does non compliance with FFP necessarily mean that your statutory accounts are false?

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

And the whole landscape has changed since the smear campaign started. Any new owner of MUFC may not be so keen to waste time on a feud with City. The same is true at Liverpool where Fenway are apparently looking to sell. The dynamic has also changed with other PL clubs who have tried to damage us. Arsenal have restored relations with City since Arteta went there and Levy is much weaker because of the crisis at Spurs.
Newcastle have joined the party at the top of the PL and Abramovich (who apparently opposed City) has left the scene. Meanwhile the Government is pushing forward with an independent regulator which will take most of the powers away from the PL in terms of sanctioning member clubs. The long game is paying off for City no matter how frustrating it has been for us fans.

Interesting.

I have a question for @Prestwich_Blue

If the above post is right on the money.. wouldn't it make more sense to just delay till the independent regulator takes over rather than face a kangaroo court tribunal where we have no right to appeal a verdict that's clear miscarriage of justice?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Interesting.

I have a question for @Prestwich_Blue

If the above post is right on the money.. wouldn't it make more sense to just delay till the independent regulator takes over rather than face a kangaroo court tribunal where we have no right to appeal a verdict that's clear miscarriage of justice?

The problem is that this Government is in total chaos so it could be years for an independendent regulator to come in. The proposal is supported by both Labour and Tories. But the Uk is in a crisis and it may end up being delayed further because the country has bigger fish to fry. I am also pretty sure that a new regulator would not want to re-open the FFP can of worms either.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Interesting.

I have a question for @Prestwich_Blue

If the above post is right on the money.. wouldn't it make more sense to just delay till the independent regulator takes over rather than face a kangaroo court tribunal where we have no right to appeal a verdict that's clear miscarriage of justice?

For who to delay? The PL's process is already in motion.

 

[Ric]

Interesting.

I have a question for @Prestwich_Blue

If the above post is right on the money.. wouldn't it make more sense to just delay till the independent regulator takes over rather than face a kangaroo court tribunal where we have no right to appeal a verdict that's clear miscarriage of justice?

The idea that an independent regulator coming in will just take these charges off the table is a bit fanciful, to say the least.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

For who to delay? The PL's process is already in motion.

Wouldn't it make sense to delay the process pending appeal to a higher court based on how any judgment they give is supposedly final and we have no right to appeal?

Or do you have faith in the tribunal to not screw us over?

 

[Ducado]

The PL must be in a big bind, effectively accusing the club of criminal wrongdoing with regards to false accounting, and it really does go nuclear, and I guess the threat is being City down and the rest go down with it, there will be a fudge a face saving, and Levy will sleep with one eye open for the rest of his life, and the shredder at Anfield will be working overtime

 

[domalino]

God I hate seeing this thread pop to the top of the page.

When we will be rid of this sideshow?

 

[zebbemacahan]

You may be right but my gut feeling is that a lot of the hostile press coverage has calmed down apart from a small bunch of conspiracy theorist loons. If a Qatari buys United the fake concept of "sportswashing" will never be mentioned again. I am optimistic the tide has turned.

…or rather ”Qataris buying United is just a sign on how modern football operates. It has to be done to compete with City who has ruined football”

 

[nmc]

I’m a KFA but it feels like the argument over the change of disclosure rules and which standard City have to submit to could be the cornerstone of the whole case?

The disclosure rules are an important element but they won’t allow for a fishing exercise. Do the PL know what they are looking for? Given the size and scale of this investigation I really think the PL have been incredibly naive and bitten off far more than they can chew.

 

[oakiecokie]

I think you are being a tad optimistic there. Every team you mentioned are desperate for City to be punished and nothing has changed.

It was only 4 months ago that the PL referred us probably on the back of pressure from other teams so any idea that the other clubs have gone soft is nonsense.

EVERY rival benefits from City being screwed. Any takeovers won’t change that.

And any appointment of a Regulator won’t make a difference to any of offences that City face.

You`re certainly fucking living up to your name !!

 

[nmc]

You may be right but my gut feeling is that a lot of the hostile press coverage has calmed down apart from a small bunch of conspiracy theorist loons. If a Qatari buys United the fake concept of "sportswashing" will never be mentioned again. I am optimistic the tide has turned.

Hmmm it’s just that a couple of those loons work for the National Broadcaster. Stone and Roan are two of the worst and are relentless In the hate campaign against our club.

 

[nmc]

The idea that an independent regulator coming in will just take these charges off the table is a bit fanciful, to say the least.

Agreed but you get the impression the PL is pursuing this because key players demand it rather than it being evidence based…. You’d hope an independent regulator would take a more balanced and objective view, so the scale of the accusations would probably change from the present ‘kitchen sink‘ approach.