Media Discussion - 2023/24

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bluenova said:
I've heard it a couple of times in the last season, loud and obvious and directed at other fans, but unfortunately it was people behind me and neither time was I able to work out who it was. Many other fans will have clearly heard but nothing happened. Both those incidents were guys being aggressive to Asian fans, with the suggestion they were not proper fans, and made direct references to their race.

For players today, then clearly it's not constant bananas and monkey chants like in the 70s - it's probably something a bit more subtle that one person will see and others won't. Yaya, Sterling, and Mahrez got a lot more questions about their attitude, and were often referred to as lazy. Now there are probably times they did have a bad attitude, like all players, and no doubt many on this site will argue race has nothing to do with it, and for many fans it doesn't. But If City or England lose then the abuse is disproportionately directed at the black players, even if most people are self aware enough these days not to use racist terms.

I don't think Mahrez got as much abuse because he wasn't white as Sterling did, but I loved him as a player, and at times he dragged City to some big results. He may have had off games, but Kev plays a lot more FFS balls, than Mahrez did (because that's the nature of trying something special), and I didn't see a player that hid, any more than others when things weren't going well. Yet he is still given more grief for his attitude, and for being lazy, than most players.

It doesn't follow that all of the people that think that are racist, because every fan has their favourites, and players they don't think are up to much - but that's the kind of abuse the racists amplify and the kind of abuse they hide behind. We know there are millions of racist people in the UK, so of course there are plenty of racist City fans.

ps. that might have been a bit rambling - struggling to type at the moment, as I've just dislocated/fractured my shoulder, so just pecking it out with one finger painfully.
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Re your injury , i have been there so i wish you the best
 
77lost by a point said:
Deflection tactics! By flipping the accusations against the media of racism what better way to get it into the public psyche than to imply there is racism amongst our support.Getting into the psyche is a tactic that's been used successfully by them for example Emptyhad. What you have to question is the mindset of the author to even contemplate or insinuate that race & religion are the factor in this instance. On what evidence did he gauge the feelings of the supporters to formulate his opinion? If it was from this forum he would have noticed a thread thanking Riyad Mahred. I was led to believe that racism (amongst other things) was the use of prejudice or discrimination against others from any geographical area which includes regions within your own country. In the South stand one game against Liverpool, a vocal chap next to me joined in with a chant (can't remember who) against someone being racist the song ended so VC turned towards the Liverpool fans and began " You Scouse B******s, You Scouse B*******s etc...." which of course is racist.
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No it isn't.

Scouse isn't an ethnicity.

What next? Calling someone a Cockney wanker is racist?
 
Sid Snott said:
I see F365 have an article about City transfer of players from the academy or players who never featured for the first team, but have been sold. Banner headline is
The Manchester City cheat code: how Guardiola has made £200m+ by selling unused players.
So selling players now falls under fuckin cheating. What next how much City charge for a pie and a pint at the match
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Generally speaking the phrase 'cheat code' used in that context isnt necessarily negative and doesn't necessarily imply actual cheating, just that someone has performed unbelievably well. They called Haaland a cheat code; not sure playing a centre forward up top is really cheating.

If a yoof phrase and isnt synonymous with 'cheating.'
 
77lost by a point said:
Racism isn't just about the colour of your skin it can encompass age, race, gender, religion etc and as I wrote a geographical area which can be a countryor district. Racism includes using offensive terms towards minority indigenous people.
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Word salad nonsense.

Cambridge Dictionary​

Racism:
harmful or unfair things that people say, do, or think based on the belief that their own race makes them more intelligent, good, moral, etc. than people of other races :

policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race :

Calling someone an old fart isn't racist it's ageist and calling a woman a slag isn't racist either it's misogynistic.

I could go on, but you seem a bit confused, maybe that's me being racist? Who knows when words mean whatever one wants them to mean.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Word salad nonsense.

Cambridge Dictionary​

Racism:
harmful or unfair things that people say, do, or think based on the belief that their own race makes them more intelligent, good, moral, etc. than people of other races :

policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race :

Calling someone a old fart is not racist it's ageist and calling a woman a slag isn't racist either it's misogynistic.

I could go on, but you seem a bit confused, maybe that's me being racist? Who knows when words mean whatever one wants them to mean.
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Woke culture, don't ya' love it!
 
Maybe some of our fans need to realise that the players that play for our club are hired guns, some may love us, for others it's just a job. Their ethnicity or colour of their skin has nothing to do with their commitment to the club.
I recently chatted with the son of a former striker of ours from the 90s asking would his dad be made up with our Premier league win, he said no he's a Liverpool fan. I checked, he didn't play for them.
The fans are the heart and soul of every club, the players and management are our hired hands.
 
77lost by a point said:
Racism isn't just about the colour of your skin it can encompass age, race, gender, religion etc and as I wrote a geographical area which can be a countryor district. Racism includes using offensive terms towards minority indigenous people.
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Bollox.

You should post in the political sub forum, the gang will love you and welcome you with open arms lol.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Word salad nonsense.

Cambridge Dictionary​

Racism:
harmful or unfair things that people say, do, or think based on the belief that their own race makes them more intelligent, good, moral, etc. than people of other races :

policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race :

Calling someone an old fart is not racist it's ageist and calling a woman a slag isn't racist either it's misogynistic.

I could go on, but you seem a bit confused, maybe that's me being racist? Who knows when words mean whatever one wants them to mean.
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All good and well that pal but remember, it’s all about their truths these days lol
 
I think it's a bit naughty of Sam Lee to imply even a small number of fans may be indifferent to Mahrez leaving due to him being a North African Muslim. It's fair to say that people can take more easily to people that are similar to them but the converse doesn't make someone racist. There are also plenty of City players who don't look like the City crowd who have been adored by us. I'd worry for the health of any City player who looked like most of the match day crowd.

This kind of article again reinforces the idea that City reporters don't write for City fans.

This paragraph:

"Of course, that will not be a factor for many, but it cannot be overlooked as one reason why he has maybe not been given the love that a player with his contributions would ordinarily receive and deserve."

Is particularly stupid. How many people would need to hold this view before it begins to determine how a fan base responds? 10 racists with this view wouldn't impact a fan base response. Would 100? Nope. If it can't be overlooked it must be a significant number or a particularly vocal minority - in which case it should be easy for Sam to name and shame those fans. Of course he can't.

There is absolutely no credibility to his suggestion in my opinion and therefore no justification to include it except to make mischief. Instead of writing "Perhaps his race and faith play into that" it would have been just as credible to write "Perhaps Mahrez smashes all the buttons whilst playing Super Smash Brawl instead of trying to do the moves play into that" - this would certainly be a reason why I would dislike Mahrez.
 
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New Season, same old stupid questions from the UK sports press.

I don't think they listen to Peps answers. Just jump on a couple of words he says and twist them.

For example a Japanese journalist compliments Pep and say's he thinks he's the GOAT. Does Pep think the same about himself. At first Pep misheard it as saying god which he said he's no god. When corrected he said he doubts he'll ever be classed as GOAT because of the clubs he's been lucky to manage.

The UK journalist ask him. "You said you have doubts for this season. What are they?"
 
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