Hooliganism and Violence Maine Road 80's/early 90's

Cheesy said:
I strongly believe that football hooliganism in the 70's / 80's was a form of homo-eroticism.

All those young men struggling with their true feelings, not being able to come out as gay as it just wasn't accepted back then meaning they turned to violence to get all that stress out.

They probably engaged in a bit of mutual masturbation after a good scrap too.
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The english , as a nation, have always been warmongers. Weve always loved a scrap, and when we were at war for centuries at a time there was ample opportunities for young men to join up and go and scrap with another country.
As national service ended young lads just found other ways and other people to scrap with. Mods fighting rockers etc.
Then it manifested itself into football hooliganism. The young men of that era just latched onto scrapping exactly the same type of young man who just happen to support another football team.

When it comes down to it, the english just love a fucking good fight.
 
CTID1988 said:
I really don't understand how people aren't embarrassed to be a "hooligan". It baffles me that actual adults, fully grown men are into it
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I understand it - people struggle to shake off the things they were into in the heyday of their youth. Ravers, Mods, Skins, Casuals they all still hark back to the fashions and culture when they were younger, it’s pretty normal.
 
Axel Freed said:
Spot on and this little tale sums up the character of 99% of ” hooligans” whether they’re City fans or not. Virtually none of em have any bottle and in any one on one situation would be cruelly exposed for the unskilled fannys they truly are.
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Followed City home and away throughout 70s and 80s, I was only into the footy and the beer but believe me they were many times you had to fight wether you wanted to or not. On many occasions the presence of the Cool Cats and later the Guvnors saved me from a battering. Pre segregation very few firms dared to come to Maine Rd in numbers, innocent away fans would always get help and advice off me to keep them safe but there were times you had no choice but to defend yourselves. Modern fans don't know they are born, fans can travel together without it kicking off, but I fear its getting worse if only at some games. Attended both the East and West Lancs derby's last season and the police operations required to see both games passed off peacefully was insane must have cost Lancashire rate payers of whom I am one a fortune. If you have watched football in the nineties and noughties and later be glad you have been able to go to games in safety but don't criticise us who supported City in less safe times.
 
Spurs quarter 69 said:
Followed City home and away throughout 70s and 80s, I was only into the footy and the beer but believe me they were many times you had to fight wether you wanted to or not. On many occasions the presence of the Cool Cats and later the Guvnors saved me from a battering. Pre segregation very few firms dared to come to Maine Rd in numbers, innocent away fans would always get help and advice off me to keep them safe but there were times you had no choice but to defend yourselves. Modern fans don't know they are born, fans can travel together without it kicking off, but I fear its getting worse if only at some games. Attended both the East and West Lancs derby's last season and the police operations required to see both games passed off peacefully was insane must have cost Lancashire rate payers of whom I am one a fortune. If you have watched football in the nineties and noughties and later be glad you have been able to go to games in safety but don't criticise us who supported City in less safe times.
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Spot on. Every game you went to home and away you had to have your wits about you. It's alright people saying you could avoid it but that wasn't always the case. Even at home you only had to turn the wrong corner and bump into an away firm and it was fight or flight whether you wanted to or not. All the firm's only fought other firms shit was bollocks. While in the mobile phone years there may have been arranged meets, as somebody rightly said it wasn't just the known faces who fought, loads of clubs had groups of lads outside the main firms who were happy to have a scrap. While there will always be bullies and liberty takers it's also another myth that hooligans couldn't fight alone. Plenty of lads were as hard as nails, quite a few did door work as well.
 
CTID1988 said:
I really don't understand how people aren't embarrassed to be a "hooligan". It baffles me that actual adults, fully grown men are into it
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Simply for many, it starts off from being a young male, and goes from there. It's genuinely hard to explain the culture to those who have never been involved in it.

It's not just the violence, but it is the day out at the match, being around close friends, boozing, and going to places you never go to on a normal day. Wearing the clothes and the memories.

Many on here have been involved (myself included) and I'm sure you will find some who are active or those who stop doing it.

At the time of being involved, it was a crazy time of my life. Now I just need a bovril & some comfy running shoes and I am happy.
 
CTID1988 said:
I really don't understand how people aren't embarrassed to be a "hooligan". It baffles me that actual adults, fully grown men are into it
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It baffles me that people are baffled that people are like, kind of different to each other.

Does it baffle you that everyone’s favourite drink or TV show or taste in music, is not the same as yours?
 
Spurs quarter 69 said:
Followed City home and away throughout 70s and 80s, I was only into the footy and the beer but believe me they were many times you had to fight wether you wanted to or not. On many occasions the presence of the Cool Cats and later the Guvnors saved me from a battering. Pre segregation very few firms dared to come to Maine Rd in numbers, innocent away fans would always get help and advice off me to keep them safe but there were times you had no choice but to defend yourselves. Modern fans don't know they are born, fans can travel together without it kicking off, but I fear its getting worse if only at some games. Attended both the East and West Lancs derby's last season and the police operations required to see both games passed off peacefully was insane must have cost Lancashire rate payers of whom I am one a fortune. If you have watched football in the nineties and noughties and later be glad you have been able to go to games in safety but don't criticise us who supported City in less safe times.
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very true I was the same beer and footy..rovers always been my other team and the East Lancs derby was a nightmare i.e 1982/3 at Turd Moor the worse, and could be again without haevy police numbers

Following City away in London when I lived there in the 90's was always lively, luckily city always had the numbers...Highbury the week after the 5 v1 v Utd in 1989 there were 1000's there and we walked back to Islington through the park untouched, seven sisters road when we drew 1v1 playing in purple around the same time not quite so lucky or as many to protect you due to allocation
 
CotswoldsBlue said:
very true I was the same beer and footy..rovers always been my other team and the East Lancs derby was a nightmare i.e 1982/3 at Turd Moor the worse, and could be again without haevy police numbers

Following City away in London when I lived there in the 90's was always lively, luckily city always had the numbers...Highbury the week after the 5 v1 v Utd in 1989 there were 1000's there and we walked back to Islington through the park untouched, seven sisters road when we drew 1v1 playing in purple around the same time not quite so lucky or as many to protect you due to allocation
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On the other side of the fence as I used to live in Burnley, the smaller away allocation keeps things quiter now. Not been to Ewood in years refuse to attend bubble matches even if I could get a ticket. Sat with Burnley mates in the Longside two weeks ago, kept my head down and saw no mither.
 
I am pretty sure that there are some on here that had first hand experience on what went on week in week out with various City firms. Sometimes they came unstuck but most of the time as City had a firm or firms that were well respected we had a result. It’s all very well the likes of the rags claiming a result when they had 500 v 100 but when numbers were even it was always a different story.
 
CTID1988 said:
I really don't understand how people aren't embarrassed to be a "hooligan". It baffles me that actual adults, fully grown men are into it
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great contribution.......cheers for that.

Now baffle off.

Most of these dicks who post these anti hooligan shit posts are probably proper mummys boys brought up in fucking spoilt brat homes .....not shitholes like most of us cunts.

It wasn't just football it kicked off at.....Nightclubs, School, the streets. Scrapping was everywhere ffs
 
mancityvstoke said:
great contribution.......cheers for that.

Now baffle off.

Most of these dicks who post these anti hooligan shit posts are probably proper mummys boys brought up in fucking spoilt brat homes .....not shitholes like most of us cunts.

It wasn't just football it kicked off at.....Nightclubs, School, the streets. Scrapping was everywhere ffs
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They see the title of the thread yet still come on to preach the moralistic spiel about things that happened a generation ago
 
Kippax77 said:
They see the title of the thread yet still come on to preach the moralistic spiel about things that happened a generation ago
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clueless fuckers who were never there...or not from Manchester.

Or just walked around with a blindfold on.
 
paulchapo said:
Spot on. Every game you went to home and away you had to have your wits about you. It's alright people saying you could avoid it but that wasn't always the case. Even at home you only had to turn the wrong corner and bump into an away firm and it was fight or flight whether you wanted to or not. All the firm's only fought other firms shit was bollocks. While in the mobile phone years there may have been arranged meets, as somebody rightly said it wasn't just the known faces who fought, loads of clubs had groups of lads outside the main firms who were happy to have a scrap. While there will always be bullies and liberty takers it's also another myth that hooligans couldn't fight alone. Plenty of lads were as hard as nails, quite a few did door work as well.
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Like the lads at the Martial Arts centre on deansgate I trained with....hard as fuck black and white lads from Moss Side, C on M, Longsight etc...all did the doors in town. Most still around but a bit older. Some still fit as fuck.
 
The thread title is asking how it was ?
And there’s been some great replies into this and it’s too easy to condone it but I’ll say it and say it again different day different society loads of these lads in firms back in the day came from Broken families troubled upbringing they had a family which was city it was there relief what from everyday shit got thrown at them , for some it’s only what they had , the only family they knew was on a Saturday afternoon.
It was a culture . It’s how it was , a bit different now but back in the day at away games especially glad they were as there I got to know many and still do . And one last thing they were genuinely city fans .,
 
paulchapo said:
Weird video indeed. I don't remember Millwall putting up much of a fight aside from a small battle in the North stand. Outside they were cowering behind the police along with Donald MacIntyre who was filming. They also shit it coming down and got off the train at Stockport.
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I saw the Millwall escort that day coming towards Maine Road from town, we were stopped by police walking from the Claremont and had to wait on other side of the road while the escort went past, there was also the police helicopter overhead, biggest mob of hooligans I've seen at Maine road. Let's just say if they were not contained well by the police that day things could of got a lot worse than they already were. Also Leeds away was always tricky on the train, was ok going to the ground, ok in the ground but a knightmare getting back to the train station after the game. City always melted away, no escort and you were left hoping you never got picked off while mingling with Leeds fans walking back to the train station, oh and if you were a bit late the special fucked off and you were left to run the guantlet again with the cunts all the way to Huddersfield.
 
BolinCell said:
I saw the Millwall escort that day coming towards Maine Road from town, we were stopped by police walking from the Claremont and had to wait on other side of the road while the escort went past, there was also the police helicopter overhead, biggest mob of hooligans I've seen at Maine road. Let's just say if they were not contained well by the police that day things could of got a lot worse than they already were. Also Leeds away was always tricky on the train, was ok going to the ground, ok in the ground but a knightmare getting back to the train station after the game. City always melted away, no escort and you were left hoping you never got picked off while mingling with Leeds fans walking back to the train station, oh and if you were a bit late the special fucked off and you were left to run the guantlet again with the cunts all the way to Huddersfield.
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Too be fair mate Leeds away on the train was always a risk special or service, in them days you knew the possible outcomes , as for city always melted away ? You must of been unfortunate. Millwall is Millwall that’s why they respect us ( back in the day ) .
 
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