The views of Jesus are now seen as woke and too left/liberal

I'm English fight your own battles, your politics like your country is a basket case.

You sound like a "you're either with us or against us" kind of political person, exactly how I described, enjoy the mess you've made I am just glad I don't have to live there.
I wish I had choices but I don’t. It was better when I did. Not sure what I’ve done to create this mess, but we certainly don’t need any more both-siders here. Nearly all are cowards, lazy, liars or some combination. Plenty are conservatives (and some liberals) too scared to publicly admit they fucked up so now they claim everyone is bad. And so it goes.
 
I wish I had choices but I don’t. It was better when I did. Not sure what I’ve done to create this mess, but we certainly don’t need any more both-siders here. Nearly all are cowards, lazy, liars or some combination. Plenty are conservatives (and some liberals) too scared to publicly admit they fucked up so now they claim everyone is bad. And so it goes.

They probably say the same things about you and they might be right, if someone doesn't start talking sense over there you'll be up to your neck in it even more before long.

America is dying from within, it's quite scary how your x factor politics has turned into a museum of horror because of how entrenched voters have become.

Choice number one : Huge orange **** with a god complex

Choice number two : A senile old man who should have retired decades ago

People who don't vote the way you vote are not cowards, your comment shows why your country is in a shit state.
 
I think there is a certain smugness/arrogance about people that seem to think they have invented the concept of being nice to other people. It forms the basis of nearly all religions but history tells us how far from these essentially just roots religious sects can end up. Wokeism, social justice warriors, eco campaigners etc all have similarly benevolent roots and will just as surely be corrupted and perverted to the point where wars start - the political theatre and culture wars you mention are milestones upon that road.
Social media supercharges the sort of thing that used to be the purview of the religious, which is the whole 'look how devout I am' phenomenon. Why do some Spanish Catholics walk through the streets every year whipping themselves, but would never do it in private? Because there's no social cache to self-harming in private. Why do some Muslims go from an instruction to dress modestly or not eat pork to basically covering their entire body and face, and refusing to show a cartoon to their kids because it's got a pig in it? Because there's social status in showing how seriously you take the religion. I choose to interpret this verse in the most unreasonable and strict way possible because it makes me look like more of a Catholic or Muslim than everyone else. Ironically, it's ego-driven.

And you see the same on social media. Someone starts off expressing a concern about a particular issue, be it trans rights, racism, anti-wokeness, covid vaccines, etc, and they get encouraged by the likes, followers, retweets, to find more and more to be concerned about, then offended by. Within a short time, they're not organically reading things and finding them concerning or offensive, they're looking for things to be offended by, because they get the hit of approval from a huge crowd of people who all follow them because they agree with them.

I remember listening to a podcast where they were talking about relationships and they were literally apologizing every other minute for being hetero-normative. And it's not because anyone in the conversation was offended, it's just to show their own level of enlightenment, but also because if they don't, someone else in the conversation will see the opening to 'correct' them for their crass generalization. It's got so many parallels with Muslims who can't mention the Prophet Muhammad without saying 'Peace be upon him' or Christians inventing 'gosh darn it' to avoid saying God.
 
They probably say the same things about you and they might be right, if someone doesn't start talking sense over there you'll be up to your neck in it even more before long.

America is dying from within, it's quite scary how your x factor politics has turned into a museum of horror because of how entrenched voters have become.

Choice number one : Huge orange **** with a god complex

Choice number two : A senile old man who should have retired decades ago

People who don't vote the way you vote are not cowards, your comment shows why your country is in a shit state.
Life is full of sub-optimal choices. If you can’t make them, won’t make them, think you’re somehow smarter than others for criticizing them all, or don’t want to do the work to find the differences, then you should be shining everyone’s shoes and sitting in the pub by yourself. Your nation’s greatest statespeople would agree, as would mine.
 
Life is full of sub-optimal choices. If you can’t make them, won’t make them, think you’re somehow smarter than others for criticizing all, or don’t want to do the work to find the differences, then you should be shining everyone’s shoes and sitting in the pub by yourself. Your nation’s greatest statespeople would agree, as would mine.

Other people found choices that you don't agree with, they found the differences too.

This thread isn't really about what Americans laughingly call politics it's about how kind was a man (who may or may not have existed) by todays standards. Let's face it the states made politics into a race to the bottom and thanks to your brand of evangelical evil Christianity you soiled the big J's name too.

By every metric you fucked it all up.

Now back to the life of Brian.
 
Social media supercharges the sort of thing that used to be the purview of the religious, which is the whole 'look how devout I am' phenomenon. Why do some Spanish Catholics walk through the streets every year whipping themselves, but would never do it in private? Because there's no social cache to self-harming in private. Why do some Muslims go from an instruction to dress modestly or not eat pork to basically covering their entire body and face, and refusing to show a cartoon to their kids because it's got a pig in it? Because there's social status in showing how seriously you take the religion. I choose to interpret this verse in the most unreasonable and strict way possible because it makes me look like more of a Catholic or Muslim than everyone else. Ironically, it's ego-driven.

And you see the same on social media. Someone starts off expressing a concern about a particular issue, be it trans rights, racism, anti-wokeness, covid vaccines, etc, and they get encouraged by the likes, followers, retweets, to find more and more to be concerned about, then offended by. Within a short time, they're not organically reading things and finding them concerning or offensive, they're looking for things to be offended by, because they get the hit of approval from a huge crowd of people who all follow them because they agree with them.

I remember listening to a podcast where they were talking about relationships and they were literally apologizing every other minute for being hetero-normative. And it's not because anyone in the conversation was offended, it's just to show their own level of enlightenment, but also because if they don't, someone else in the conversation will see the opening to 'correct' them for their crass generalization. It's got so many parallels with Muslims who can't mention the Prophet Muhammad without saying 'Peace be upon him' or Christians inventing 'gosh darn it' to avoid saying God.
This is pretty well said. I’d add that hypersensitivity to criticism has been a human weakness since day one. For some, admitting a misjudgment or a mistake is easy. You do it, and you move on. For others, it’s like trying to pull your own tooth. For still others, it’s part of a chronic psychological disorder. In a hyperspeed public forum, likes and brickbats come at an equal frenetic pace.
 
This thread isn't really about what Americans laughingly call politics it's about how kind was a man (who may or may not have existed) by todays standards. Let's face it the states made politics into a race to the bottom and thanks to your brand of evangelical evil Christianity you soiled the big J's name too.

By every metric you fucked it all up.

Now back to the life of Brian.
I think this thread emanates from American socio-politics but I certainly don’t disagree with that. Barry Goldwater was arguably the most conservative man to ever run for the presidency and even he warned of this, and loudly.

Personally (like most Yanks) I prefer Holy Grail in terms of laffs but like most Brits I think Brian is a much better and more thoughtful film.
 
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Other people found choices that you don't agree with, they found the differences too.

This thread isn't really about what Americans laughingly call politics it's about how kind was a man (who may or may not have existed) by todays standards. Let's face it the states made politics into a race to the bottom and thanks to your brand of evangelical evil Christianity you soiled the big J's name too.

By every metric you fucked it all up.

Now back to the life of Brian.
Not a fan of Evangelical Christians anywhere but Christians have been making a mockery of the whole ideal from day one
 
Religion is fine when it is a sincere and private code of ethics.

Where it goes wrong is when it captures a state and starts telling the population that anyone who opposes it is ungodly/evil. At that point, religion is merely being abused as the tool of the ruling class. If you have a nation of believers and you tell them that their religion is threatened by 'X'. then that is a very powerful and emotional bond that can be persuaded to do evil quite easily.

This seems to work in both Iran and the USA, to name two sides of a coin. There are a shit ton of historical precedents, whether it's Cromwell and the Puritans, or whether it's Louis XIV cracking down hard on people who dared to be Protestants. Whether it's the Spanish Inquisition, or the extreme Protestants of Geneva or, indeed, Scotland.
 
Religion is fine when it is a sincere and private code of ethics.

Where it goes wrong is when it captures a state and starts telling the population that anyone who opposes it is ungodly/evil. At that point, religion is merely being abused as the tool of the ruling class. If you have a nation of believers and you tell them that their religion is threatened by 'X'. then that is a very powerful and emotional bond that can be persuaded to do evil quite easily.

This seems to work in both Iran and the USA, to name two sides of a coin. There are a shit ton of historical precedents, whether it's Cromwell and the Puritans, or whether it's Louis XIV cracking down hard on people who dared to be Protestants. Whether it's the Spanish Inquisition, or the extreme Protestants of Geneva or, indeed, Scotland.
I tend to agree with these points. Christianity and the teachings of Christ parted company forever when Constantine made it the State Religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th Century. Once political, administrative and military power structures become entwined with a religion, the religion just becomes another arm of the State. Where I’d slightly disagree is that it’s not religion that captures a state (in terms of the history of the Western World, not modern Islamic States for example) but rather the other way round. Then religion is inevitably used to support the status quo and reinforce existing power structures right the way through to the divine right of kings and all that bollocks.
 
Liberalism doesn't mean the same as it did 40 years ago, they also get confused with lefties which must annoy the fuck out of the lefties.
I am of the Left and it does annoy the fuck out of me that the right consider Lefties as Liberal. The Liberal left are as bad as Tories in my eyes, because they are Capitalists.

As far as woke goes, being aware of injustice as described by my friend Kathy Burke is perfect. She tweeted "I love being 'woke'. It's much nicer than being an ignorant fucking twat." and as somebody who knows Kathy and the Irish working class background she came from I totally get where she is coming from. She was attacked after that tweet by the Daily Express for using the term "babes" as they claimed it was derogatory. I have known her for 40 years and have never seen anyone offended by her use of language which can to be fair get rather flowery after a few beers.

I see the use of "woke" as a pejorative as an attack by the right on working class values, they hate the thought the working class may come together and enact change that damages the owners of capitals hegemony on political thought and speech.

Well fuck you, you right wing cunts, I am a Socialist and we fight injustice and fight for the working class and if that makes me "woke" then fucking good as Kathy said, "its better than being an ignorant twat"
 
I am of the Left and it does annoy the fuck out of me that the right consider Lefties as Liberal. The Liberal left are as bad as Tories in my eyes, because they are Capitalists.

As far as woke goes, being aware of injustice as described by my friend Kathy Burke is perfect. She tweeted "I love being 'woke'. It's much nicer than being an ignorant fucking twat." and as somebody who knows Kathy and the Irish working class background she came from I totally get where she is coming from. She was attacked after that tweet by the Daily Express for using the term "babes" as they claimed it was derogatory. I have known her for 40 years and have never seen anyone offended by her use of language which can to be fair get rather flowery after a few beers.

I see the use of "woke" as a pejorative as an attack by the right on working class values, they hate the thought the working class may come together and enact change that damages the owners of capitals hegemony on political thought and speech.

Well fuck you, you right wing cunts, I am a Socialist and we fight injustice and fight for the working class and if that makes me "woke" then fucking good as Kathy said, "its better than being an ignorant twat"
Yes, but what kind of socialist are you?

Libertarian, authoritarian? And then, are you sure you're not also liberal? I mean, if you're not liberal, then are your socially conservative?
 

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