How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

That’s all okay with me, though I think the people of Northern Ireland would be foolish not to opt to join with Ireland over England in that situation.
That’s the point of the Freestate.
We’ll take in both. We’re willing to forgive…..
If they’re willing to forget their silly dalliance with the monarchy.
King Chas? Head of the Church of England? That’s fine, he just can’t be anything in the state so.

Complete separation.
It’s what Daniel O’Connell wanted.

That’s O’Connell now, not O’Donnell. Very important if you are looking them up.
 
That’s the point of the Freestate.
We’ll take in both. We’re willing to forgive…..
If they’re willing to forget their silly dalliance with the monarchy.
King Chas? Head of the Church of England? That’s fine, he just can’t be anything in the state so.

Complete separation.
It’s what Daniel O’Connell wanted.

That’s O’Connell now, not O’Donnell. Very important if you are looking them up.
O’Connell does a nice line in cardi’s if I remember correctly.
 
That’s the point of the Freestate.
We’ll take in both. We’re willing to forgive…..
If they’re willing to forget their silly dalliance with the monarchy.
King Chas? Head of the Church of England? That’s fine, he just can’t be anything in the state so.

Complete separation.
It’s what Daniel O’Connell wanted.

That’s O’Connell now, not O’Donnell. Very important if you are looking them up.
Will look them up, not now though off wine tasting.
 
O’Connell does a nice line in cardi’s if I remember correctly.
O’Connell does a nice line in cardi’s if I remember correctly.
Thanks for proving my point Sadds.
Easy mistake to make.
Next time you’re in Dublin, on O’Connell bridge, look up at the statue.
He’s sporting a lovely sweater isn’t he?
 
Rejoining is inevitable.

Once you accept that it's a matter of how.

Starmer is preparing the ground, he's going to allow EU citizens resident here to vote and he's going to lower the voting age, and on the quiet he'll encourage a fringe Labour rejoin group to steer the narrative, while retaining plausible deniability that it's nowt to do with him.

Simultaneously he'll be exploring closer ties to the EU, which will throw up a number of possible scenarios, an entirely predictable by-product of which will be the bleedin obvious, the simple fact that none of these halfway house options is better than rejoining, so rejoining will surreptitiously re-enter political discourse.

Old folk die off, youngsters join the electorate, Brexit is shown to be the disaster it is to all but the terminally mad. Starmer will let it all simmer, there'll be no top down, he wants pressure to build from below, then bish, bash, bosh! We rejoin, ten years from now at the earliest.
Or the right wing press do their stuff and we end up approximately where we are just now. I see no sign that the large minority that continue to be wooed by the attack dog policies of the right are softening their attitude to anything.
 
Or the right wing press do their stuff and we end up approximately where we are just now. I see no sign that the large minority that continue to be wooed by the attack dog policies of the right are softening their attitude to anything.

And yet if the polls are to be believed, were there a referendum tomorrow we'd more than likely rejoin.

You have to ignore the noise and feel the shifting sands beneath your feet.
 
Unless you scrap the UK.
Scotland apply independently, Wales applies independently.
England and Norn Iron join the Freestates; that would be the new entity to get round the GFA for the DUP.
Federal Republic of Eireann and English States.

Of course you’d all have to adopt the euro and the Freestates would be run from Dublin.
There would be a total separation of church and state, so we’d finally be rid of the blight that is the King being head of state and the church. I mean it is 2023.
Don't we have enough gullible idiots voting the same pricks in repeatedly without inviting in more?
 
That’s the point of the Freestate.
We’ll take in both. We’re willing to forgive…..
If they’re willing to forget their silly dalliance with the monarchy.
King Chas? Head of the Church of England? That’s fine, he just can’t be anything in the state so.

Complete separation.
It’s what Daniel O’Connell wanted.

That’s O’Connell now, not O’Donnell. Very important if you are looking them up.

If Daniel O'Donnell's going to be in charge it'll make Mrs Doyle very happy.

 
Rejoining is inevitable... then bish, bash, bosh! We rejoin, ten years from now at the earliest.
That's the rub though isn't it ( and I'd say 20 years minimum, and the NI border question has to be resolved first).

Which politician is going to dedicate their campaign to something that won't happen in the next mandate period, or the next, or even the one after that?

What do you do in the mean time? Just let thins get slowly worse? The UK gradually deflating of the coat of France like a lilo with a hole in it? UK Politicians have to make the UK economy work if they will have any chance of re-entering the EU on reasonable terms, and if the economy recovers, whats the driving force to rejoin?
 
Which politician is going to dedicate their campaign to something that won't happen in the next mandate period, or the next, or even the one after that?

That's why no politician will and that's why Starmer won't, remember "no top down".

What do you do in the mean time? Just let thins get slowly worse? The UK gradually deflating of the coat of France like a lilo with a hole in it? UK Politicians have to make the UK economy work if they will have any chance of re-entering the EU on reasonable terms, and if the economy recovers, whats the driving force to rejoin?

Let's see if I fully understand you, we need to get our economy in shape, and in order do that we need to get back into the EU, but to get back into the EU we need to get our economy in shape, but if we get our economy in shape there's no point in going back into the EU.

I think that's a logical fallacy? Or is it a circular argument? Either way I'm confused.
 
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The other factor to consider is what the UK will potentially be joining in say ten years time. The EU has already changed in that it now raises funds, has taken on health competences, and sent military aid to Ukraine in its own right. Enlargement is back on the agenda as is greater integration.

Our absence (ironically) has helped these trends, but the organisation we left will not be the same organisation we look to join.

I still think we will end up in the Norway, Switzerland camp and never leave. Economically tied to the EU, but with minimal political influence. Ireland will have a bigger say in the political shaping of Europe then we ever will.
 
Leave them as they are bar the North. Maybe some bilateral federation with an independent Scotland.
Fair enough.
Sadds for Prez.
A bilateral federation?
Sadds be ready for an influx of Ulster Scots Presbyterians.
There’s no way they’ll have anything to do with us, bilateral or not.
 
Rejoining is inevitable.

Once you accept that it's a matter of how.

Starmer is preparing the ground, he's going to allow EU citizens resident here to vote and he's going to lower the voting age, and on the quiet he'll encourage a fringe Labour rejoin group to steer the narrative, while retaining plausible deniability that it's nowt to do with him.

Simultaneously he'll be exploring closer ties to the EU, which will throw up a number of possible scenarios, an entirely predictable by-product of which will be the bleedin obvious, the simple fact that none of these halfway house options is better than rejoining, so rejoining will surreptitiously re-enter political discourse.

Old folk die off, youngsters join the electorate, Brexit is shown to be the disaster it is to all but the terminally mad. Starmer will let it all simmer, there'll be no top down, he wants pressure to build from below, then bish, bash, bosh! We rejoin, ten years from now at the earliest.
If we do it will be all or nothing.

Schengen/Euro etc.


The people that voted out didn't understand the balance we had in our membership. That will be all gone and we'll have to accept being a third tier member and the nuts and bolts that come with it. No cherry picking.
 
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If we do it will be all or nothing.

Schengen/Euro etc.


The people that voted out didn't understand the balance we had in our membership. That will be all gone and we'll have to accept being a third year member and the nuts and bolts that come with it. No cherry picking.

Maybe you're right, a lot depends on the zeitgeist among the other members when we want to come back.

We know where we are now, who knows where we'll be come the day.
 
I voted out, for several reasons. Sadly none of these have been implemented by this government. I voted out for greater uk independence on tax rates, the ability for the uk to encourage external investment which hasn’t happened and greater internal investment, which also hasn't happened. I wanted reasonable controls on immigration, not no immigration, this hasn't happened, as we only let in people who we wont let work ie illegal immigrants. Lots of labour shortages across all uk industry sectors have contributed to massive increases in wage inflation.

I still believe that we could have left the EU better than we have, but was probably naive in thinking the UK government were capable of negotiating this. I was touch and go in making up my original decision , but now think if given a choice again and with hindsight of how we have left I would vote to stay, as the benefits I thought we would gain in leaving haven't been implemented.

I'm not sure whether how much of this feeling is down to my disenchantment with this government ?
 

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