Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[urban genie]

What I'm even more uncomfortable with, is how quickly we as a society turn allegations of a half famous person into yet another front of a culture war. The last dozen or so pages being a prime example.

Never liked him or his material, so never paid any real attention. For whatever reason, I thought he was 'left wing' 'anti-establishment'. But honestly never cared enough to really bother finding out any more. Now I read he is 'right wing' 'anti-establishment' and a conspiracy theorist.

Not that either is in any way relevant to his conduct or the allegations. But part of me thinks that it doesn'tmatter which side he falls on, the exact same arguements would be happening, in reverse, and completely bypassing the allegations themselves.

no one has said this that except Brand himself, painting it as a conspiracy to bring him down, also most of those defending him are right wing so an obvious link will be mentioned, no one is using it to politically idologically point score.

The only point being made is that from a long time libertarian stance (he was never left wing in the traditional sense) he suddenly shifted to a an alt right conspiracy theorist way of thinking, this could just be a by-product of the pandemic where many have gone full on NWO paranoia mode or as is suggested was a premeditated, intentional shift 3 years ago as appealing to the cranks on the right meant a narrative of an innocent man fighting a global cabal being censored could be framed if the allegations ever surfaced.

It isn't being used as a stick to beat one ideololgies of anothers virtue, brand has set himself up as a truthseeker and many are just questioning if it was for this situation alone to garner the support he has had from social media gimps and GBnews anchors

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Watching the doco now, fuck me he does come across as a vile creton in some of those old clips. How is making jokes during a standup about shoving your cock in someones throat and them choking considered 'a funny'?

 

[Blue Llama]

Never saw anything positive in him. I didn't find him funny or clever. He had his fans but you will always get people who will laugh at any outrageous comment if they have been told its funny. Emperors new clothes etc. He was a nasty piece of work at all times, his humour always had a victim and so it would seem his relationships.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

no one has said this that except Brand himself, painting it as a conspiracy to bring him down, also most of those defending him are right wing so an obvious link will be mentioned, no one is using it to politically idologically point score.

The only point being made is that from a long time libertarian stance (he was never left wing in the traditional sense) he suddenly shifted to a an alt right conspiracy theorist way of thinking, this could just be a by-product of the pandemic where many have gone full on NWO paranoia mode or as is suggested was a premeditated, intentional shift 3 years ago as appealing to the cranks on the right meant a narrative of an innocent man fighting a global cabal being censored could be framed if the allegations ever surfaced.

It isn't being used as a stick to beat one ideololgies of anothers virtue, brand has set himself up as a truthseeker and many are just questioning if it was for this situation alone to garner the support he has had from social media gimps and GBnews anchors

What right wing views does he hold?

I stopped paying attention to him a decade or so ago and so I have no idea but I'm interested to see if it goes beyond the way he markets himself.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

What right wing views does he hold?

I stopped paying attention to him a decade or so ago and so I have no idea but I'm interested to see if it goes beyond the way he markets himself.

It's not specifically that he 'outwardly' has right wing views in the traditional sense. It's more that he dances around the edges of things and has now gathered quite a large following within conspiracy and right wing groups. In literally all of his videos he questions people like Biden, Bill Gates and other people on the 'left' over and over and over again.

Yet on the other hand, I have literally not seen him put one iota of content out on say a Donald Trump for instance.

 

[urban genie]

What right wing views does he hold?

I stopped paying attention to him a decade or so ago and so I have no idea but I'm interested to see if it goes beyond the way he markets himself.

As stated he has framed his channel to alt right conspiracy theories and appeals to the fighting the system, free speech bolloclks.

Ideologically he is still a libertarian, but he is presently pushing right wing paranoid theories and conspiracies


Honestly though bar seeing it as a possibly ploy to use as a defence, none of this matters what does is the allegations, what his politics truly are is not important

 

[kenbelly]

Never saw anything positive in him. I didn't find him funny or clever. He had his fans but you will always get people who will laugh at any outrageous comment if they have been told its funny. Emperors new clothes etc. He was a nasty piece of work at all times, his humour always had a victim and so it would seem his relationships.

Agree with that, I don’t find him funny at all, he’s just a narcissist prick full stop, I watched the documentary last night, his behaviour in general is disgusting. You’ve got to blame the big TV companies too for employing him for so long.

 

[snorky]

Guilty, of being a talentless ****.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

As stated he has framed his channel to alt right conspiracy theories and appeals to the fighting the system, free speech bolloclks.

Ideologically he is still a libertarian, but he is presently pushing right wing paranoid theories and conspiracies


Honestly though bar seeing it as a possibly ploy to use as a defence, none of this matters what does is the allegations, what his politics truly are is not important

No, but his defenders are fraiming this as his political views being the reason for these allegations coming out. Rather than just taking them at face value.

 

[grunge]

Interesting rumours doing the rounds that he told mates over the years he was intentionally moved into this conspiracy theory world as he knew the accusations would come out eventually so moved to make it look like it’s the “deep state” against him because he’s “outing” them.

 

[urban genie]

No, but his defenders are fraiming this as his political views being the reason for these allegations coming out. Rather than just taking them at face value.

Which is what I am saying

All that should be discusssed is the allegations and that he is a sexual predator.

People keep shifting it to a conspiracy against him, with him pre-empting it with the video posted on Friday, well fuck all of that.

Many women have come out and said he sexually assulted them, the mans a **** and now the police neeed to take this seriously and start proper investigations of a criminal nature.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Honestly though bar seeing it as a possibly ploy to use as a defence, none of this matters what does is the allegations, what his politics truly are is not important

Of course. Not trying to turn it political, I just wondered if he'd put any specific views out there.

I do find it interesting though.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Russell Brand doesn't have political views.

He's a chameleon who would do anything for attention,money and fame, he doesn't have genuine views.

He's just an agent provocateur, with better social skills, charm, instincts than Charles Veitch.

He was a mirror image of the pound shop Enoch Powell, right up until it was more convenient/lucrative for him to adopt a new philosophy.

The bloke once went around gay bars propositioning gay men, and then wanked one off in the toilets.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I can’t fucking stand this guy, talentless mouthy prick but these are serious allegations and as ever, he should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

I’m really uncomfortable with the way cases like this are now Mainstream news. Guilty or not, his career and life as he knows it is now over and that can’t ever be right.

Throw the key away if he is found guilty, no issues but these cases should not be out in the open like this.

Sadly I don’t think he’ll be damaged much , vast majority of his followers are Tate loving conspiracists , he’ll carry on his channel. Unless jailed.

 

[CarlosTevez'sEnglishTutor]

Watched the documentary. It was pretty predictably laid out in terms of its broadcast. Started and ended with allegedly serious incidents and was padded out for an hour in-between with mostly fluff.

Does Russell Brand comes across as a nice man after watching that? No. A pretty unscrupulous little **** who used his fame and success to get in the pants of an unfathomable amount of young women. Won't be the first or the last.

I have witnessed similar manipulation from several men of varying ages in my life. That's what some less moral men do. They will push the boundaries of flirtation and unacceptable behaviour until they get their own way. Some women freeze in these encounters or feel obliged to give the man what they want, some of that depends on if they've had a strong father figure at home who has taught them properly about what men are. Most of our breed are scum. Others will be dough eyed clout chasers who would have been desperate to get close to a famous man, that has gone on for centuries and always will.

Every woman mentioned in the documentary had consensual encounters with Brand. I did note one staff member though who mentioned carrying a walky talky and was tasked with collecting Brand from his house alone, he punned about having a quickie of which she declined and didn't enter the house, smart woman. The first and last incidents then allegedly occurred randomly once a relationship of trust had been built up. He will be in cuffs by Monday and these incidents rightly investigated. Both happened in the States though, so surely it will take some collaboration with their respective State police, whereby I'm unsure of how lenient laws are on such matters; especially as the alleged victims had consensual encounters with him, it's a complex country.

The next cat amongst the pigeons will no doubt be the swathes of other apparent victims who now come forward. I do feel his outspoken behaviour on the mainstream media and authorities has had an impact in this. You'd be stupid to comment otherwise. He has clearly done some very nasty things, if some of those things class as unlawful, then throw the book at him.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Maybe women in these situations look at the appalling lack of conviction figures, around 2%, and just don’t trust the police?

Fair point indeed.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Charles Veitch

This ****'s still going with his content. Still see him around town constantly.

The bloke once went around gay bars propositioning gay men, and then wanked one off in the toilets.

Yeah he'd maybe had just a tad too much heroin at the time.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Watching the doco now, fuck me he does come across as a vile creton in some of those old clips. How is making jokes during a standup about shoving your cock in someones throat and them choking considered 'a funny'?

It’s not but crude/sexual ‘jokes’ have been around forever in stand up- Jimmy Carr, Gervais, Frankie Boyle etc have all pushed the line when it comes to that.

 

[Centurions]

Was it just Brand by the way? I can't see anything online besides his smarmy face.

 

[Coatigan]

no one has said this that except Brand himself, painting it as a conspiracy to bring him down, also most of those defending him are right wing so an obvious link will be mentioned, no one is using it to politically idologically point score.

The only point being made is that from a long time libertarian stance (he was never left wing in the traditional sense) he suddenly shifted to a an alt right conspiracy theorist way of thinking, this could just be a by-product of the pandemic where many have gone full on NWO paranoia mode or as is suggested was a premeditated, intentional shift 3 years ago as appealing to the cranks on the right meant a narrative of an innocent man fighting a global cabal being censored could be framed if the allegations ever surfaced.

It isn't being used as a stick to beat one ideololgies of anothers virtue, brand has set himself up as a truthseeker and many are just questioning if it was for this situation alone to garner the support he has had from social media gimps and GBnews anchors

Ok, fair enough. As said already, I really don't know enough about his leanings, material or proclamations having never seen any appeal myself. I simply found the poitical division arguements on here and the wider media uncomfortable, still do, but can now appreciate the context a bit more.