Around 20% of Israelis are Muslim Arabs. They live in peace with their Jewish, Christian and atheist neighbours and don’t want anything to do with Hamas. A very sizeable portion of the West Bank and even Gaza would happily live in peace alongside them too.Cheetham Hill, Prestwich, all North Manchester really have no issues with multiple faiths and ethnicities mixing together. Shane the rest of the world can’t all get along the same.
Sad as fuck really, we all just want the same things at the end of the day, and to live peaceful lives.
USA and Qatar block funding of 6 billion dollars to Iran.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...lease-iran-6-billion-prisoner-swap-rcna120135
If thats the case why didn't he just make the points you have and refuse to be bullied? Or am I missing something (I usually do TBF)This is also really dumb, Biden has been pressured into it by the Republicans who tried to weaponise it.
There is no $6Bn “funding”.
There’s a bank account in South Korea which Iran had from legitimate trade before sanctions. It was frozen when sanctions came in and was going to be transferred to one in Qatar where it could only be used to buy humanitarian aid from vetted organisations for its own people. The money was going to be unfrozen in return for a prisoner return.
So what does this achieve? Iran is not going to trust any future prisoner swaps, impoverished Iranians are going to go without aid they desperately need, and it doesn’t actually stop Iran’s leadership from doing anything, they can still send weapons to Hamas and Russia for their terrorism.
It’s pretty representative of the politics surrounding the Middle East at large. Does nothing to stop terrorism, does nothing to help any civilians now, makes helping in the future more difficult and worsens relations for the sake of “looking strong”
Unfortunately the Republicans made it their number 1 thing following Saturdays attacks - lying to the world that Biden was giving $6Bn of US taxpayers money to Iran and saying he funded the attack.
If thats the case why didn't he just make the points you have and refuse to be bullied? Or am I missing something (I usually do TBF)
Hmm. I think even Joe could manage 4 paragraphs. Maybe.Because it took me 4 paragraphs to explain it, and it takes a few words to tell people Biden gave Iran $6bn to fund Hamas.
The lie is simple, the truth is complicated.
The only way to undermine the lie is to come up with something equally simple - Irans not getting the money.
They've been suspiciously silent.I wonder if the posters who refused to believe the absolutely barbaric and medieval nature of the atrocities committed by the Hamas terrorists have changed their minds, or are still inhabiting cloud cuckoo land?
I’m trying to articulate or put into words one of the problems I have always had with the Israeli state and it’s governance or treatment through the decades of the Palestinian state.I was working today in North Leeds that has a big Jewish community. Loads of kids of multiple ethnicities were heading home from school and there was no aggro. Everyone just getting on. If people aren't taught hatred they get on. Unfortunately, the hatred in the Middle East will last a lot longer.
I think a lot of them didn’t have a problem believing it, they simply didn’t care.
I think a lot of them didn’t have a problem believing it, they simply didn’t care.
Pregnant women found with her stomach cut open and baby still attached to the umbilical cord killed and mother shot. They don’t know which order the two were killed. Utterly abhorrent yet plenty on here still won’t have a bad word said against Hamas.
No I actually do believe that a few of them - one or two in particular - don't actually care about the atrocities committed by Hamas.I’m not one of the posters you’re talking about, but whats the point in posting this?
You don’t actually believe that the posters you’re referring to don’t care about babies being tortured and beheaded. No one believes that.
So the only reason you’re posting it is to throw petrol on the fire again. Or you think it’s worth some sort of points in some fucked up morality game?
It’s the absolute worst of this thread and online forums in general. Fuck off with it.
Some of the images coming out from both sides are awful.
Babies being tortured and executed - what human can do such a thing. They don’t deserve to live in my opinion.
Fairly sure he didn’t expect the scale of what happened but if he deliberately ignored warnings thinking it was going to be a minor incursion or attack that he planned to use as justification for a crack down to shore up his support then he needs to go to jail. Actually he needs to go to jail anyway for corruption but this would make the other charges pale into insignificance.Bibi prioritised preventing himself from going to prison above all else. I don't think he really wants to expand settlements but did it to appease the far ultra orthodox right who he needs onside to change legislation to protect himself. He was warned months ago of this attack, I don't think he would deliberately allow it to happen, just that he was so fixated on keeping himself out of jail that politics took priority over safety, probably some arrogance over tha damage that could be done as well.
I haven’t got all the answers. I agree they the main blockers are religion. The Oslo Accords might have been implemented in a meaningful way had there been clarity about ending Jewish settlements in Palestinian territory. There was also great unease about access to holy sights.I’m trying to articulate or put into words one of the problems I have always had with the Israeli state and it’s governance or treatment through the decades of the Palestinian state.
I think responding to your post is as good a way to try and do this.
You see I don’t see why Jewish people in Leeds or anywhere else, be it England, Ireland, America or Europe should have aggro from Islamic or Christian or any other religious ethnicities from the same country, because of the actions of Israel if Israel is truly a multicultural society.
That is what we are told it is, usually from Jewish people.
If religion and state are truly separate then we outside of Israel should look upon the actions of Israel as an Israeli response and not a Jewish one.
Now I fully accept that this is simplistic and perhaps naive, given the situation in states all around them(Israel), but if we accept that the aggression against Israel is an act of terrorism by Hamas, then I cannot see how people in England no matter what religion, can view a measured response any different to what they would accept or what would have been accepted internationally after the Birmingham bombings or any other atrocities by the IRA.
Bare with me. I am truly not trying to be incendiary about this.
I truly am trying to get my head around the history and the problem and where a solution can be found.
I really think it next to impossible because the solution doesn’t merely lie in the hands of Israel alone. They seem to think they can solve it militarily but really religion has to be taken out of the equation. You need to look for what unites people of the area not what divided them and you need secular thinking leaders from all sides. Like I said, currently, next to impossible.
A lot went on before it and a lot went on since but in 1948 Ben Gurion declared Israel a Jewish State.
I was brought up Catholic and realise that in the Northern Ireland conflict Nationalism and Unionism have been divided mainly along the traditional lines of Catholic and Protestant since partition but personally I’m a non believer and happily so. I describe the divide as Nationalist and Unionist. I don’t think one’s religion in this day and age should have any baring on democracy in any state.
So should Britain have bombarded the Republic in retaliation for Birmingham. Believe me, there are plenty of people who believe your government had a hand in the likes of the Dublin bombings of the seventies.
But I’m talking about invasion and bombardment like Israel are doing and considering doing while the world watches on.
And go back to the start of the troubles in the late sixties with the civil rights marches in Derry culminating with Bloody Sunday in 1972. Let’s not go over old wounds, I hear you say, but the point I’m going to make is there were people in the Irish government putting Jack Lynch under pressure to send the Irish army over the border into Derry to protect the nationalist community.
I can hear the laughter from British people from here at that suggestion but the point of it wasn’t that Ireland could match Britain militarily. The intention would have been for the resolution to involve a UN peace keeping force to go in replacing the British troops who were there initially to protect the Catholic community from the RUC and B Specials who were in charge of law enforcement.
So….,
What would have happened if we went down that route. Who knows?
I don’t claim to know.
But the similarities in history and actions stick out alarmingly to me.
Why do American Jews have an interest in Israel? I ask naively again.
Why did American Catholics support the IRA?
Two totally different things? Yes I can see they are different but at the end of the day why did Americans have the interest in other countries affairs and I say take the religion out of it and they wouldn’t.
I’m very sorry if any of this offends any Jewish people, not my intention. At the end of the day I think all religion is bullshit.
Your replying to a guy who's said Palestine and it's people don't exist, Also Israel are not occupying any land only their own.Name one poster who doesn’t have a bad word to say about Hamas.
One single poster.
No I actually do believe that a few of them - one or two in particular - don't actually care about the atrocities committed by Hamas.
It’s my opinion - whether you agree with it or not, I genuinely couldn’t care less.