Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Mr Kobayashi said:
Israel has a long history of targeting journalists.

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Deadly Pattern: 20 journalists died by Israeli military fire in 22 years. No one has been held accountable. - Committee to Protect Journalists

The May 11, 2022, killing of Al-Jazeera Arabic correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh is part of a deadly, decades-long pattern. Over 22 years, CPJ has documented at least 20 journalist killings by members of the Israel Defense Forces. Despite numerous IDF probes, no one has ever been charged or held...
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domalino said:
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Deadly Pattern: 20 journalists died by Israeli military fire in 22 years. No one has been held accountable. - Committee to Protect Journalists

The May 11, 2022, killing of Al-Jazeera Arabic correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh is part of a deadly, decades-long pattern. Over 22 years, CPJ has documented at least 20 journalist killings by members of the Israel Defense Forces. Despite numerous IDF probes, no one has ever been charged or held...
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It's illogical to think they wouldn't. The Zionists are obsessed about controlling the narrative of current and historical events.

Why would they want open and honest reporting of their apartheid system in the West Bank and their murders of civilians.
 
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Vic said:
I was taught to "cite your sources". I suppose I could just have said "Arab opposition to Zionism was understandable" but that might not have gone down well with those who think anti-Zionism was down to antisemitism (or think "Zionist" is an insult). So it seemed better to justify an argument by citing a Zionist who could see a problem that many others at the time (or since) could not.

I could have '"cut and paste" Ahad Ha'am's hopes of finding common cause with the Arabs (descendents of Shem like the Jews) or just linked to his full article (behind an academic paywall). He did go on to support setting up a Jewish homeland in Palestine (not necessarily a Jewish state) but perhaps I won't bother risking any actual quotes.

Essentially, I'm trying to see both sides. And "they started it" is just too simplistic.
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Not the first time you've quoted an individual opinion from many years ago and claimed it as some sort of overarching truth. It's an opinion, nothing more. I doubt you've ever been to Israel, or even know many, if any, Jews.

I could stand outside one of the local synagogues at the end of today's Sabbath morning service and ask everyone coming out their opinions on the subject, and I'd get a variety of those. I might agree with some of them and I might vehemently disagree with others. None of those opinions are "right" and (apart from anyone who thinks that Israel should literally commit genocide and wipe out everyone in Gaza), none will be "wrong".

And I could have stood outside a local mosque yesterday after lunchtime prayers and done the same thing. I suspect the opinions will have been a different shade but there might well have been a wide range from "Good for Hamas, the Jews had it coming" to "Hamas don't help the Muslim cause by their brutality".

They're individual opinions.
 
Eebo said:
No, I don’t blame Israel for shooting down any rockets but I am sceptical that they are shooting down rockets in Gaza itself rather than over Israel
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What a complete load of twaddle.
In war you shoot things down as soon as you can get a targetting solution on the target - You don't wait unless you know it's not going to cause damage.
 
BlueAnorak said:
What a complete load of twaddle.
In war you shoot things down as soon as you can get a targetting solution on the target - You don't wait unless you know it's not going to cause damage.
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Oh right, so Israel has air defence systems in Gaza?
 
Eebo said:
No, I don’t blame Israel for shooting down any rockets but I am sceptical that they are shooting down rockets in Gaza itself rather than over Israel
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Nah they are not going to take the chance and wait in fairness. I've seen footage of their defence system shooting down rockets and it almost looks like it Vapours them mid air, but could be wrong on that.
 
Eebo said:
Oh right, so Israel has air defence systems in Gaza?
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Covering Gaza - for sure. The Gaza strip is between 5.5km and 10km wide. AA missiles have a range and radar tracking ability far in excess of this.
Big ones (as that was) are instantly shot down as soon as they're launched.
The homemade pipe missiles will only be shot down if they're predicted to hit a populated or military area.
Also, Israel is ahead of most of NATO and has had "integrated battlefield" communications systems for a few years connecting all elements of its armed forces - so theoretically now - even a plane AA missile close to a target could be fired to intercept a target very quickly - if the targeting solution is passed to the plane.
 
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Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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No one on the left gives a single fuck about religion. You are tarring a whole people who are being punished because of the nutters. No one is supporting Hamas. People are rightly supporting the innocents being blown apart and if they are lucky, dug out of rubble. It is supporting 2m without food or water. Israel have blocked all phones and internet so the world can’t see what they are up to. The left are against a political situation that makes them second class citizens living in an open air prison. That’s who the left are supporting and why. The Right also try to demonise and attempt to make Israel’s actions seem justified. And reading your post it seems to be working. Israel kill hundreds every year and nobody gives a fuck. There will never be peace for all of them with a far right gov. Massacaring defenceless people, no matter what side does it. If it all kicks off and thousands are dying, the Arab states and Hezbollah will go ahead. They have no option. Their populaces will demand it. Israel is putting its very existence on the line by continually treating Palestinians like shit. I said it in another post, Israel needs to win every war, they just need to wn one. The left in Israel want peace and a fair go for the Palestinians. But as usual, it’s the Right who fuck everything up with their hate and superiority complex. Their claim is a made up book of fiction where their **** of a god supposedly picked them as the chosen ones. How the fuck that is taken seriously is beyond farce. Sadly the world is full of deluded morons who think their books of shite are true.

And here we are, on the precipice of potentially a massive war, thanks to rightwing religious bastards. Funny thing is, neither of their versions of god seem to be giving a fuck about the innocents on both sides who pay the price. It’s almost as if they don’t exist.
 
dublinblue12 said:
Nah they are not going to take the chance and wait in fairness. I've seen footage of their defence system shooting down rockets and it almost looks like it Vapours them mid air, but could be wrong on that.
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So if it vaporises them in mid air it wouldn't be causing a big explosion when it lands would it?

However real my point was Israeli claimed that it was a Hamas rocket fired from a cemetary and the most ikely one is very near the hospital

Therefore the Israeli air defense systems - presumably located in Israel - would have to have detected and intercepted a rocket fired from very close to the hospital almost as soon as it was launched

The intercepting projectile would need to a travel a minimum of 10Km from the Israeli border to just above the hospital in the middle of Gaza in the same time as the Hamas rocket travelled a few hundred metres. I'm no rocket scientist but the general principle is that they fly pretty quick and so I remain sceptical about this claim.
 
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