Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

halfcenturyup said:
Seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry.
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I'm simply stating that Gaza is NOT occupied. Israel left the place since 2005.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
A blockade was put in place by Egypt and Israel because of the stated aims of Hamas when they came into power in 2006. The objective of the blockade was to limit arms transfer to the region.
Prior to Hamas, there was no blockade in Gaza.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I really don't care much about history. Learning from the history of the two sides is fine as an intellectual exercise, but what matters to people's lives is the here and now. And it isn't pretty.
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You should care about history.
Because as the saying goes "those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat the same mistakes".
 
Pelegrinni said:
Listen to military experts debate this on Youtube. Many have stated that if a civilian infrastructure is being used for military purpose, it automatically becomes a legitimate military target.
Warning civilians to leave the facility is to confirm that they are not the primary target of any attack. Should the civilians refuse to leave, then the consequences is on them.
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GENEVA CONVENTION IV

Civilian hospitals.
May in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.

You really dont have the vaguest idea of what you're banging on about.
 
Bradley82 said:
GENEVA CONVENTION IV

Civilian hospitals.
May in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.

You really dont have the vaguest idea of what you're banging on about.
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You post is correct.
However, if that hospital's function is altered later and is now being used as a military asset, then sadly, it no longer meet the definition you posted.
Same goes for schools and places of worship.
 
Pelegrinni said:
The numbers are provided by Hamas so it's not reliable.
They families share a responsibility for the death of the children because of their refusal to move south.
People who have moved are not burying their young children. So it is safe there until the war is over.

The type of ordinance used by Israel to date is designed to minimise civilian casualties - the bombs detonate upwards instead of sideways. See the type used by Russia in Ukraine for comparison.

In wars, people unfortunately lose their homes and sometimes, their lives. It happened in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Chechnia, etc. If you want to blame anyone, you should blame the party that started the war. Not the one retaliating for the attrocities committed against their citizens.
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I’m sorry but this is insanity. It’s like you’ve chosen every single pro IDF talking point and just repeated them in here ad nauseam
 
Pelegrinni said:
You post is correct.
However, if that hospital's function is altered later and is now being used as a military asset, then sadly, it no longer meet the definition you posted.
Same goes for schools and places of worship.
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Yes my post was correct. That's because I dont post unsubstantiated rubbish and claim it as fact.
 
Vialli98 said:
I’m sorry but this is insanity. It’s like you’ve chosen every single pro IDF talking point and just repeated them in here ad nauseam
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No point discussing anything with this dude, 100% he is a troll.

He loves Palestinians so much that he wants their children to be free from Hamas, even if it means they are are too maimed or traumatised or dead to enjoy it!
 
Pelegrinni said:
If that accord was signed and accepted, then why did they start the second intifada?

Note that your response will be fact checked.
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lol who the fuck are you?

Can’t fact check your own posts but think everyone else owes you a sourced and referenced essay to explain things you should already know and could easily find out.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Israel’s ambassador to Britain continues to go unchallenged by our main political parties. Meanwhile a Labour MP has ban suspended by Starmer for saying a lot less. Clearly, Starmer thinks this is racism when it suits him.
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I’m sure I keep hearing that from the river to the sea is a genocidal phrase?

Or does that only apply to one side as well?
 
Dax777 said:
You probably shouldn't trust what leftwing media claims about conservative media.

For what it's worth, Breitbart is no more misleading than say Vox, NPR or MSNBC. Yet I doubt you'd throw a fit if someone posted an article from those sources.

Like the guy said, the article he posted is sourced. So you can reach your own conclusions or check the source to make sure Breitbart, like most news organizations with a lean, isn't misrepresenting what it is stating
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Come back to me when NPR have launched a campaign to tell the world Hillary Clinton is having ritual sacrifices of babies in a pizza parlour and gotten a crackpot to go in there shooting the place up.
 
domalino said:
I’m sure I keep hearing that from the river to the sea is a genocidal phrase?

Or does that only apply to one side as well?
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I'd like to know the basis of Israel's historic claim that the world is expected to accept: I think I already know.

Below is an archived link to the original 2015 Daily Telegraph article.

World should recognise Israel's historic claim to land from river to sea, minister says.​

Ms Hotovely, 36, an Orthodox Jew and a noted Right-winger in prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, also shocked Israeli diplomats in the audience by lacing her address with biblical references and quoting an ancient Talmudic scholar.

"The international community deals with considerations of morality and justice. Facing this, we have to return to the basic truth of our right to this land. This entire land is ours. All of it, from the [Mediterranean] Sea to the [Jordan] River, and we are not here to apologise for this.”

 
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domalino said:
I’m sure I keep hearing that from the river to the sea is a genocidal phrase?

Or does that only apply to one side as well?
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I’ve seen militants on both sides chanting this. Pro Palestinian demonstrators in different countries and pro Israel demonstrators in New York. it’s intended to offend and / or scare the other side.

Reportedly, the Labour MP who has been suspended talked about Israelis and Palestinians living safely between the river and the sea, that shouldn’t have caused much offence if reported fairly.
 
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"In 1944, the Royal Air Force bombed the Gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen. It’s a perfectly legitimate target, but the British pilots missed. And instead of the Gestapo headquarters, they hit a children’s hospital nearby. And I think 84 children were badly burned to death. That is not a war crime. That is not something you blamed Britain for doing."

Benjamin Netanyahu, during press questions today. Does he have a point?

www.mediaite.com

Netanyahu Pressed Hard By Australian Reporter On ‘So Many’ Civilian Deaths In Gaza: ‘Are You Inflicting Collective Punishment?’

"Is that a good enough excuse? Are you inflicting here collective punishment on the people of Palestine?"
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RAF operation below.

en.wikipedia.org

Operation Carthage - Wikipedia

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"Part of the raid was mistakenly directed against a nearby school; the raid caused 125 civilian deaths (including 86 schoolchildren and 18 adults at the school)."
 
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