If Hamas indeed thought the Arabs would go into war with Israel for them, then they've surely miscalculated. Syria and Iraq probably would have liked to help them if it even comes to that stage, but they are already in a mess.
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Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)
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halfcenturyup
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If Hamas indeed thought the Arabs would go into war with Israel for them, then they've surely miscalculated. Syria and Iraq probably would have liked to help them if it even comes to that stage, but they are already in a mess.
That was never going to happen.
Arab states could be destabilised internally by all this, though, which would be a win for Iran.
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Ducado
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Why don’t you start a discussion or even a protest movement?No one seems to care as much about those war crimes…
Turkey can’t argue anything after what they’ve done.
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They wouldn’t have gone with that calculationIf Hamas indeed thought the Arabs would go into war with Israel for them, then they've surely miscalculated. Syria and Iraq probably would have liked to help them if it even comes to that stage, but they are already in a mess.
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Why don’t you start a discussion or even a protest movement?
Probably because the plight of the Kurds is nothing more than a convenient deflection tactic.
Probably because the plight of the Kurds is nothing more than a convenient deflection
You can all get behind Turkey and Erdogan’s demands for war crime charges to be brought as much as you like, just remember to ignore his own.
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You can all get behind Turkey and Erdogan’s demands for war crime charges to be brought as much as you like, just remember to ignore his own.
Even behind opinions on this horrible conflict there are politics at play, it makes for strange bedfellows.
Even behind opinions on this horrible conflict there are politics at play, it makes for strange bedfellows.
Doesn’t it just.
Look a ceasefire is needed, Hamas needs to be eradicated and Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu and his ultra right wing ghouls but I’m sorry, holding Turkey and Erdogan up on here as some sort of moral authority is a bit of a stretch for me I’m afraid.
Ducado
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I’m not doing that just pointing out what they have said you love a good bit of whataboutry don’t youDoesn’t it just.
Look a ceasefire is needed, Hamas needs to be eradicated and Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu and his ultra right wing ghouls but I’m sorry, holding Turkey and Erdogan up on here as some sort of moral authority is a bit of a stretch for me I’m afraid.
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And ours in Iraq.You can all get behind Turkey and Erdogan’s demands for war crime charges to be brought as much as you like, just remember to ignore his own.
Deflect at all costs.
Good job we don’t recognise them as war crimes as a country yet.
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Shhhhh they don't like the truth.And ours in Iraq.
Deflect at all costs.
Good job we don’t recognise them as war crimes as a country yet.
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I am sick to fucking death of hearing Israeli government spokespeople saying “we are at war with Hamas, not civilians” - it certainly doesn’t look that fucking way. Atrocity after atrocity
I’m not doing that just pointing out what they have said you love a good bit of whataboutry don’t you
How is it whataboutry when you yourself brought Turkey and Erdogan into it?
Yes, you posted what they have said. I commented on it saying Turkey and Erdogan calling another state terrorists whilst he and his own country have killed 40,000 Kurds calling them terrorists is a bit of a stretch and he has no moral high ground to preach from.
In other words, I couldn’t give a fuck what he or his country says, he should maybe look a little bit closer to home and sort his own mess out instead of desperately trying to bale his Hamas mates out who he fondly calls Mujahideen.
And ours in Iraq.
Deflect at all costs.
Good job we don’t recognise them as war crimes as a country yet.
Take Blair and co the The Hague tomorrow for all I care lol.
What has Iraq got to do with anything when they are not involved and I’ve not once defended what we did there in this thread?
Deflect at all costs you say?
Really?
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And where was Turkey on Ukraine? Actually where was the entirety of the middle east on Ukraine? Nowhere, instead those countries decided to accept the war and preserve their interests with Russia. Turkey in particular has directly profited double from the Ukraine war because it sells/buys arms to/from Russia AND it is a NATO member.How is it whataboutry when you yourself brought Turkey and Erdogan into it?
Yes, you posted what they have said. I commented on it saying Turkey and Erdogan calling another state terrorists whilst he and his own country have killed 40,000 Kurds calling them terrorists is a bit of a stretch and he has no moral high ground to preach from.
In other words, I couldn’t give a fuck what he or his country says, he should maybe look a little bit closer to home and sort his own mess out instead of desperately trying to bale his Hamas mates out who he fondly calls Mujahideen.
It's no different to our relationship with Israel. We are friends with Israel and we'll always choose to defend them to a large degree.
How many of the Corbynite so called anti-war fools on here were marching for Ukraine? You're right, none of them, that's because they were too busy apologising for Russia and blaming NATO.
There is no moral authority.
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Yes. All of our conversation keeps the real issue of thousands of children from being murdered out of the headlines.Take Blair and co the The Hague tomorrow for all I care lol.
What has Iraq got to do with anything when they are not involved and I’ve not once defended what we did there in this thread?
Deflect at all costs you say?
Really?
Yes. All of our conversation keeps the real issue of thousands of children from being murdered out of the headlines.
Conversations and debates evolve.
Its funny how the accusation of deflection only ever comes about when you disagree with someone?
Discussing Turkey and Erdogan after Ducado's post was entirely within the framework of this debate imo.
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Suggesting that Turkey can’t comment on war crimes because they are also committing them kind of misses the point and we should be stopping all of them, rather than just suggesting that they’re one to talk and ignoring it.Conversations and debates evolve.
Its funny how the accusation of deflection only ever comes about when you disagree with someone?
Discussing Turkey and Erdogan after Ducado's post was entirely within the framework of this debate imo.
We, as a country, have committed war crimes in the past, so maybe we can’t discuss them either.
It doesn’t work as a sound debating stance.
Meanwhile, we ignore the kids still being bombed indiscriminately, it seems.
No doubt someone will be along in a bit to call me anti-Semitic to further move the spotlight from the genicide taking place.