Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

The hospitals in Gaza have become terrorist headquarters for Hamas for years
and human exploitation of for terrorist purposes
Kidnappers were also clearly held there
,
Ceasefire ? Only after Gaza is free from terrorism! Or, of course, a short break for the return of hostages,
the Idf distroy terror ther forever
7/10 will never back again
Let’s be realistic that’s not going to happen they may hamper Hamas but you will never destroy it, how about take away it’s oxygen? It needs continued Israeli oppression and brutality, how about Israel makes a series attempt to find a just peace ?
 
The hospitals in Gaza have become terrorist headquarters for Hamas for years
and human exploitation of for terrorist purposes
Kidnappers were also clearly held there
,
Ceasefire ? Only after Gaza is free from terrorism! Or, of course, a short break for the return of hostages,
the Idf distroy terror ther forever
7/10 will never back again

When will Israel be free of terrorism?

Why do you think hostages will be returned when Israel has removed the incentive?

Israel have no more bargaining chips, if the intention is to wipe out Hamas, they aren't going to give up hostages.
 
Hang on. We're always told that 750,000 were displaced in the Nakba. That means there are millions of Palestinians who are probably third or fourth generation who have never, ever, lived in the former Palestine territory. They were born in places like Jordan and Egypt but aren't allowed to be citizens, and their descendants may never be.

I said earlier in this thread that my great-grandparents came to the UK from Eastern Europe around 1900. I'm a third-generation British citizen, not a Russian refugee. My American daughter-in-law has a British passport alongside her US one because her father was born in London to parents who were American citizens living and working in the UK at the time of his birth.


Now here's an interesting example of how people can hold two entirely conflicting views at the same time without any form (in their minds) of irony.

People seeing that Arab refusal as somehow noble, yet criticise our own government for its treatment of migrants and refugees. Even if you're of clear Palestinian descent but have no desire to go back and would love to be a Jordanian citizen, you're still not allowed to be. You're effectively an outsider and always will be. So being a 'Palestinian' despite having lived all your life in another country, is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, but with the 'Palestinian' tag replacing the yellow star.

The real reason Arab governments (bar Lebanon I think) deny citizenship to even third or fourth generation Palestinians is because if they do that, the problem goes away and they have no stick to beat Israel with. And that shows just how Arabs see Palestinians. They're only useful as refugees, not as human beings.
I don’t think anyone has said the Palestinians have had a particularly good deal wherever they have been, and of course given the timeframe it would be expected that most would have assimilated into the host population (although memory in the region tends to last, lots of people in North Africa have wooden keys that symbolise their lost houses in what we now know as Spain)

But we can’t just have a mass transfer of millions of people, unless there is somewhere for them to go, and there is nowhere for them

The reality is that is a solution is not found the conflict will rumble on and eventually (due to a much higher birth rate) the Palestinians will outnumber the Israelis
 
The hospitals in Gaza have become terrorist headquarters for Hamas for years
and human exploitation of for terrorist purposes
Kidnappers were also clearly held there
,
Ceasefire ? Only after Gaza is free from terrorism! Or, of course, a short break for the return of hostages,
the Idf distroy terror ther forever
7/10 will never back again
It’s still a war crime under International Law. If an enemy embeds itself within civilians, they take precedent. Unless you’re Israel where International Law and the Geneva Convention don’t apply. Bombing hospitals show the world that Israel is a rouge state operating in total disregard and can do so because Uncle Sam allows it. That’s just a fact and anybody can look it up if they doubt it. It is absolutely disgraceful the amount of children and babies are dying due to this. But, who cares they are only Muslim children.

Imagine for a minute Israel was a Muslim state acting as it does and then consider how long it would have taken the US and their fluffer, us, w to invade them? It would have been destroyed decades ago.

The only possible way forward is a fair settlement that is real and innocent people on both sides could stop being murdered. Religion again fucking every single thing up.
 
The hospitals in Gaza have become terrorist headquarters for Hamas for years
and human exploitation of for terrorist purposes
Kidnappers were also clearly held there
,
Ceasefire ? Only after Gaza is free from terrorism! Or, of course, a short break for the return of hostages,
the Idf distroy terror ther forever
7/10 will never back again
Only way Gaza is free from terrorism is when the occupation stops. Where are the terrorists in the West Bank? You stop with concentration camps in Palestine and stop importing our nasty Zionist settlers from the west like settler “Jacob” “if I don’t steal your house some else will” you may be be able to look in the mirror one day and like what you see.

The more this goes I hope the good people will realise you cannot support an apartheid racist regime. Shame our media is not as unbiased as that in South America where they are cutting diplomatic ties with this nasty regime.
 
It’s still a war crime under International Law. If an enemy embeds itself within civilians, they take precedent. Unless you’re Israel where International Law and the Geneva Convention don’t apply. Bombing hospitals show the world that Israel is a rouge state operating in total disregard and can do so because Uncle Sam allows it. That’s just a fact and anybody can look it up if they doubt it. It is absolutely disgraceful the amount of children and babies are dying due to this. But, who cares they are only Muslim children.

Imagine for a minute Israel was a Muslim state acting as it does and then consider how long it would have taken the US and their fluffer, us, w to invade them? It would have been destroyed decades ago.

The only possible way forward is a fair settlement that is real and innocent people on both sides could stop being murdered. Religion again fucking every single thing up.
Bombinig hospitals?
You already now who bomb them by mistake
 
With who ?
Monsters don't talk, that was the mistake for 15 years that Netanyahu only sought peace with terrorists
This time it's forever!
Peace will never come without a just settlement, I know lots of Israelis think the situation can be managed by continuing oppression and brutality but Oct 7th proved it can’t

Also the blowback from all of this affects the rest of the world
 
The real reason Arab governments (bar Lebanon I think) deny citizenship to even third or fourth generation Palestinians is because if they do that, the problem goes away and they have no stick to beat Israel with. And that shows just how Arabs see Palestinians. They're only useful as refugees, not as human beings.
what problem goes away if other Arab nations give displaced Palestineans citizenship? Not trying to have a go and genuinely curious what you meant here.
 
No hospital has bomb from Idf
Civilians hate Hamas and terror
We bomb only terror buildings
That's simply not true is it? Large areas of Gaza have been levelled. The IDF have carried out between 15000 and 20000 bomb, missile strikes on Gaza , you are stating that there are that many Hamas terror buildings. Which is clearly nonsense.
 
what problem goes away if other Arab nations give displaced Palestineans citizenship? Not trying to have a go and genuinely curious what you meant here.
The issue PB is highlighting is that there are still Palestinian refugee camps in some Arab countries whereas the normal way of things refugees are normally assimilated, but if tat happened the issue would lessen, however I’m not sure it’s just an issue for the host countries Palestinians are quite a distinct group with their own traditions and culture and don’t want to assimilate
 
Idf moved into hospital, can't find any tunnels or command centre but does find some AK47s and ammo.

Amazing that Hamas left that so conveniently to prove the Idfs claims.

What a crock of shit. Who do the IDF think they are kidding? Another shameless war crime.
They have found concrete evidence that Hamas were actually operating inside the bodies of the children, sick and elderly in there. hamas.jpeg
 

How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.

Once again, everyone was critical of Hamas for their actions last month, including the taking of hostages.

Does everyone have to say that every post? Like it or not, what people are discussing now is the continuing response. Or put it this way (irony intended), if Israel hadn't responded the way it has, no-one would be constantly criticising their unnecessarily excessive punishment.
 
How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.
Everybody on here has been vociferous in their criticism of the repugnant Hamas, Hamas are scum as are Likud but one sides crimes are ignored by western governments and they are given carte blanche to behave as they please that's the difference.
 
Hang on. We're always told that 750,000 were displaced in the Nakba. That means there are millions of Palestinians who are probably third or fourth generation who have never, ever, lived in the former Palestine territory. They were born in places like Jordan and Egypt but aren't allowed to be citizens, and their descendants may never be.

I said earlier in this thread that my great-grandparents came to the UK from Eastern Europe around 1900. I'm a third-generation British citizen, not a Russian refugee. My American daughter-in-law has a British passport alongside her US one because her father was born in London to parents who were American citizens living and working in the UK at the time of his birth.


Now here's an interesting example of how people can hold two entirely conflicting views at the same time without any form (in their minds) of irony.

People seeing that Arab refusal as somehow noble, yet criticise our own government for its treatment of migrants and refugees. Even if you're of clear Palestinian descent but have no desire to go back and would love to be a Jordanian citizen, you're still not allowed to be. You're effectively an outsider and always will be. So being a 'Palestinian' despite having lived all your life in another country, is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, but with the 'Palestinian' tag replacing the yellow star.

The real reason Arab governments (bar Lebanon I think) deny citizenship to even third or fourth generation Palestinians is because if they do that, the problem goes away and they have no stick to beat Israel with. And that shows just how Arabs see Palestinians. They're only useful as refugees, not as human beings.
You have a right to live in Israel, over a century after your ancestors chose to come to the UK rather than go to Palestine. They got here a few years before the UK passed the Aliens Act to keep out Jews from Russia.

Do the Palestinians have a right to return to the land their ancestors left?
 

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