Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Gorton_Tubster said:
Well it seems to me, considering how Israel are stealing the land out there from other people, that Israel deserve all they get. I dont hate them but ffs dont go to another place, steal land, then keep stealing land, eventually the displaced will fight back and soon it will be dirty bombs that they use.

I know they're dealing with an organisation that wont talk peace but ffs dotn go stealing THEIR land. wtf.That's shite.
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So Isreal deserved to be attacked? And all of the innocent people who have nothing to do with it deserved to be massacred as well in their home and at a festival?

The displaced your defending are Hamas - an organisation who want to eradicate all Jewish people…

There’s no easy answer, but I don’t agree with Israel being attacked in the way it was. Negotiate some kind of ceasefire or think of a way forward, don’t massacre innocents - on both sides.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So Isreal deserved to be attacked? And all of the innocent people who have nothing to do with it deserved to be massacred as well in their home and at a festival.

The displaced your defending are Hamas - an organisation who want to eradicate all Jewish people…

There’s no easy answer, but I don’t agree with Israel being attacked in the way it was. Negotiate some kind of ceasefire or think of a way forward, don’t massacre innocents - on both sides.
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I am thinking he means the state of israel and not the people attacked, israel has controlled what goes into gazza for years, i dare say that has caused plenty of deaths in itself
 
kaz7 said:
I am thinking he means the state of israel and not the people attacked
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That wasn’t implied.

“Well it seems to me, considering how Israel are stealing the land out there from other people, that Israel deserve all they get.”

Israel deserve all they get - Israel isn’t just a government. It’s millions of innocent people as well. Same with Palestine - it’s not just Hamas. If the poster doesn’t mean that then they’ve explained their point pretty terribly
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So Isreal deserved to be attacked? And all of the innocent people who have nothing to do with it deserved to be massacred as well in their home and at a festival?

The displaced your defending are Hamas - an organisation who want to eradicate all Jewish people…

There’s no easy answer, but I don’t agree with Israel being attacked in the way it was. Negotiate some kind of ceasefire or think of a way forward, don’t massacre innocents - on both sides.
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Spot on, he miscreants here are Hamas, the Israeli Government and the IDF, ordinary Israeli and Palestinian citizens are not responsible for this mess and they DON'T 'deserve all they get'
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
That wasn’t implied.

“Well it seems to me, considering how Israel are stealing the land out there from other people, that Israel deserve all they get.”

Israel deserve all they get - Israel isn’t just a government. It’s millions of innocent people as well. Same with Palestine - it’s not just Hamas. If the poster doesn’t mean that then they’ve explained their point pretty terribly
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i liked it because i am sure he means israel the state not individuals murdered by hamas , maybe my bad
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So Isreal deserved to be attacked? And all of the innocent people who have nothing to do with it deserved to be massacred as well in their home and at a festival?

The displaced your defending are Hamas - an organisation who want to eradicate all Jewish people…

There’s no easy answer, but I don’t agree with Israel being attacked in the way it was. Negotiate some kind of ceasefire or think of a way forward, don’t massacre innocents - on both sides.
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Well yes, that's what happens when you are seen to steal land from others. That's a basic. Sorry.
I don't condone what Hamas did, they're terrorists, but Israel are railroading this down this violent path too. Stealing the land of others is just so wrong, ask Russia.
 
philiph20 said:
Spot on, he miscreants here are Hamas, the Israeli Government and the IDF, ordinary Israeli and Palestinian citizens are not responsible for this mess and they DON'T 'deserve all they get'
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Doesn't matter who's responsible. Hamas caused this with their attack but ffs that's what happens when you take others land. Israel need to stop expanding into foreign owned land surely? I mean that's a red rag to a bull right there. Dont do that shit if you dont want to be reducing the hatred towards you.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
That wasn’t implied.

“Well it seems to me, considering how Israel are stealing the land out there from other people, that Israel deserve all they get.”

Israel deserve all they get - Israel isn’t just a government. It’s millions of innocent people as well. Same with Palestine - it’s not just Hamas. If the poster doesn’t mean that then they’ve explained their point pretty terribly
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No I really meant Israeli as a govn. You can paint it how you want to hate it but that's what I am saying. Israel need to stop stealing others land because that is a root cause. An absolute root cause.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So Isreal deserved to be attacked? And all of the innocent people who have nothing to do with it deserved to be massacred as well in their home and at a festival?

The displaced your defending are Hamas - an organisation who want to eradicate all Jewish people…

There’s no easy answer, but I don’t agree with Israel being attacked in the way it was. Negotiate some kind of ceasefire or think of a way forward, don’t massacre innocents - on both sides.
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Agree with you that there should be a distinction between Israel and the Israeli government since there are a vast majority of innocent Israelis, same as Palestinians. But by saying the displaced are Hamas are you not just doing the same thing? I may have missed something.
 

kaz7 said:
I am thinking he means the state of israel and not the people attacked, israel has controlled what goes into gazza for years, i dare say that has caused plenty of deaths in itself
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So they were the ones giving him all the alcohol. The bastards.
 
halfcenturyup said:
So you agree none of them are an existential threat?

Your second point is referring to Hamas or Netanyahu's government? You can apply it to both, so it will take time firstly to elect someone normal in Israel and secondly to weaken Hamas so they become a minor irritant, and then irrelevant.

Not sure what your next point is. You think Hezbollah will open a second front? Or you are saying they won't? I think you are saying they won't so what's the problem?

And your last point, who has nuclear weapons so who needs a nuclear deterrent?
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I agree physically they aren't an existential threat but their ideological goals are and does their limited means to enact those goals justify doing nothing? Bear in mind that 1000+ Israeli's were killed 6 weeks ago, it's within their capability to do great harm to Israel and right now that's what they're trying to do.

Many on here want Israel to leave the settlements and end the occupation which is fine, I agree. However do you honestly believe that Hamas and its allies will then call it a day and say thanks Israel, you live in your land, we'll live in ours and let's have peace? It's bollocks.

The Houthi's who are launching ballistic missiles at Israel live by this slogan "God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Cursed be the Jews, Victory to Islam".
 
If there is one good thing to come out of this, it’s the attention that the world is now giving to the issue, there is no going back

The radical right government of Israel needs to go, they have no solution to this but violence and more war, and other solutions that would be unacceptable like mass transfer of Palestinians not once have I heard any suggestions for peace from them accept more of the same

As part of a peace agreement all armed Palestinian groups must agree to disarmament the only people allowed arms should be the security forces

There should (and there are some encouraging noises) be some serious nation building for the Palestinians including proper democratic institutions, I also believe that all surrounding countries should be part of the solution including perhaps giving up a bit of land to ensure that a viable state can be formed
 
mexico1970 said:
On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you that all armed terrorist groups would disband?
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If you just order them too not very likely but it’s carrot and stick, give people some hope some normality some prospects and they won’t want to die, a viable state backed by the world could become a beacon of hope for the region, it’s either that or continued mass slaughter and oppression
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Well yes, that's what happens when you are seen to steal land from others. That's a basic. Sorry.
I don't condone what Hamas did, they're terrorists, but Israel are railroading this down this violent path too. Stealing the land of others is just so wrong, ask Russia.
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Butchering and massacring nearly 2,000 innocent people is ‘just what happens’. No it’s not.
 
mexico1970 said:
On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you that all armed terrorist groups would disband?
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The whole process will take years, enough time to cut off their funding and weapons and make them irrelevant. It will take grown-up diplomacy, though, not the simple-minded shit-show we have seen for years.
 
I saw the IDF are posting they they killed one of Hamas terrorists who paraded the young German woman around Gaza before killing her. Hopefully the rest of that gang will be eliminated before long.
 
Ducado said:
If you just order them too not very likely but it’s carrot and stick, give people some hope some normality some prospects and they won’t want to die, a viable state backed by the world could become a beacon of hope for the region, it’s either that or continued mass slaughter and oppression
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I agree with you about it needs to happen, something tells me that if Israel agree not to nick any more land and stop killing Palestinians there would still be rockets landing on the Israelis heads and murders by terrorists groups.

We know that the solution is to get on, we know we can all look like we are the "bigger person" to suggest it and to mean it but it just isn't practical.

The only way to solve it long term would be to give said land to one side, even that'll be messy leading me to believe my great great grandchildren will be seeing this unfold too.
 
halfcenturyup said:
The whole process will take years, enough time to cut off their funding and weapons and make them irrelevant. It will take grown-up diplomacy, though, not the simple-minded shit-show we have seen for years.
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People are looking at Hamas in isolation, they are backed by other governments who themselves don't really care about dead people just ideology.
 
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