Everton Thread - 2023/24

[Wanderingwolf]

I see Everton fans throwing stones in our direction asking that wolves Bournemouth and forest are fully investigated
That would be wolves that every one laughed at for selling 140m of players in the summer to balance the books, and avoid failing profit and sustainability rules, even losing a manager in the process. What did Everton do?

 

[shackattack]

I see Everton fans throwing stones in our direction asking that wolves Bournemouth and forest are fully investigated
That would be wolves that every one laughed at for selling 140m of players in the summer to balance the books, and avoid failing profit and sustainability rules, even losing a manager in the process. What did Everton do?

Had a part owner that was Ukranian and were unable to or chose not to get rid of Siggurdson ?

 

[paulchapo]

I don't believe there's one club that hasn't tried to circumnavigate the rules. It's what businesses do. Our chairman was right when he said other clubs need to be careful with their accusations, as they might find themselves under scrutiny too.

I also don't agree with points deductions and relegations etcetera as that only hurts the fans who are blameless. A better way has to be found, what I don't know. I'm sure if a club had the financial muscle and will to fight ffp rules in a court of law they'd win. Bosman did it with players contracts and nobody thought he'd win.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I was posting that to show the commission point of only a points deduction will hurt us due to having a wealthy owner. Which seems absurd. If your owner wasnt a billionaire then we would give you a fine, but sorry points deduction for you.

So the reasoning is that if you have a "wealthy owner", regardless of the fact that the rules prevent him or her investing in the team, the club should get a points deduction. Okay. And how is "wealthy" defined by the panel ? What is the threshold of personal wealth that qualifies as "wealthy" ? Presumably it applies to all PL clubs ?

And it's surely through the looking glass to suggest the corollary, that, if the owner doesn't have two beans to rub together, a fine is more appropriate thus condemning the club to insolvency. To me, it doesn't make sense unless the new "wealthy owner" clause is aimed directly at us.

 

[East Level 2]

The fact that the panel also admitted that Everton gained no advantage on the pitch due to a breach of FPP Regulations suggests that the new stadium is the issue. I can see our fanbase reacting to the PL in much the same way as City do to the Champions League
United at home should be fun

The panel did say they got a sporting advantage didn't they?

They did but lots of contradictory statements in their findings it's hard to know what's true. If there was a sporting advantage they should name it surely.

Is it possible the PL are saying Everton didn't gain any advantage on the pitch as a way to nullify threats to sue either the club or the PL?
Surely it makes no sense to deduct points if they didn't have an advantage on the pitch.

 

[splinter]

Everton taking the fight to the corrupt PL cunts and more will follow. Won't end well for the PL

 

[Norman kneejerk]

Basically no point fining a club with wealthy owners, so they had to go with points.

Can barely believe what I've read there. Looks Incredibly unprofessionally like something a kid gas written, made up as they go along. Are they saying some pl owners are not very wealthy,. So uniteds FFP fine was OK because their owners are skint. Its frighteningly bad
Also noticed they seem to be doing a real ground preparing job for city not just with the billionaire owners/points deducted comment but also ignoring the immaterial breach thing so Ince something no matter how small is proven its a points deduction.
This is an unmissable opportunity as they see it to take city out and results will be expected of the PL by our bent rivals.. Really hope city have a few nice surprises of their own lined up.

 

[shackattack]

Can barely believe what I've read there. Looks Incredibly unprofessionally like something a kid gas written, made up as they go along. Are they saying some pl owners are not very wealthy,. So uniteds FFP fine was OK because their owners are skint. Its frighteningly bad
Also noticed they seem to be doing a real ground preparing job for city not just with the billionaire owners/points deducted comment but also ignoring the immaterial breach thing so Ince something no matter how small is proven its a points deduction.
This is an unmissable opportunity as they see it to take city out and results will be expected of the PL by our bent rivals.. Really hope city have a few nice surprises of their own lined up.

So it seems like the punishment is based on having a wealthy owner and that they felt a financial punishment would have no impact. I think the precedent they are setting is a dangerous one and the months ahead could be interesting for their brand at Goodison

 

[waspish]

It's the likes of the scum who relay want cheslea out the picture for top five so a points deduction for them will benefit the scum getting that champions league place what they desperately need or it's ffp breaking again for them

 

[Norman kneejerk]

So it seems like the punishment is based on having a wealthy owner and that they felt a financial punishment would have no impact. I think the precedent they are setting is a dangerous one and the months ahead could be interesting for their brand at Goodison

That's the fascinating bit trying to fathom what comes next after the PL if anything. The teams are so globally known now I don't think they can get away with just binning them.in say the Northern Premier League and that's the end of it.
Too much commercial value. Maybe some of the disaffected clubs will go their own way with no financial restrictions?

 

[West Yorks Owl]

Somehow I think Everton will have the points deduction overturned on appeal (or suspended) and will get a hefty fine instead.

Personally, I think the punishment is very harsh. You get less points deducted for running a club into the ground and into administration.

It's 12 point deduction in the EFL for going into administration, previously it was 10

Precedent in the EFL was a small fine.

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The Leicester City fine was because the club had been promoted to the PL, so were no longer under EFL rules, clubs in EFL in recent years have received the following:

Wednesday - 12 points (reduced to 6 on appeal)
Birmingham City - 9 Points
Derby County - 9 Points (+ 3 suspended)
Reading - 6 points (twice)

Then you have lots of teams getting deductions for going into administration including Coventry City, Derby County, Wigan, Leeds United (10 points 2006-07 & 15 points 2007-08), Rotherham United, Crystal Palace, QPR

Luton Town received a 30 point deduction from The FA in 2008-09 after historical financial irregularities which ultimately relegated them to the conference.

 

[shackattack]

That's the fascinating bit trying to fathom what comes next after the PL if anything. The teams are so globally known now I don't think they can get away with just binning them.in say the Northern Premier League and that's the end of it.
Too much commercial value. Maybe some of the disaffected clubs will go their own way with no financial restrictions?

Leicester winning the league threatened their global brand and they are doing everything they can to prevent it happening again. Everton would never win the league regardless of expenditure, i can accept the punishment if you break the rules but realistically we should stay up anyway so the punishment to us could be irrelevant. I think the agenda is a warning to others and evidence to the government that the PL can keep it's own house in order

 

[Norman kneejerk]

So it seems like the punishment is based on having a wealthy owner and that they felt a financial punishment would have no impact. I think the precedent they are setting is a dangerous one and the months ahead could be interesting for their brand at Goodison

One other thing it looks to me like the PL have slipped up on this anyway because the fine/punishment is for the club not the owners so what has the owners wealth got to do with it?
What a shower, lol !

 

[BerkshireBlue]

It's 12 point deduction in the EFL for going into administration, previously it was 10

The Leicester City fine was because the club had been promoted to the PL, so were no longer under EFL rules, clubs in EFL in recent years have received the following:

Wednesday - 12 points (reduced to 6 on appeal)
Birmingham City - 9 Points
Derby County - 9 Points (+ 3 suspended)
Reading - 6 points (twice)

Then you have lots of teams getting deductions for going into administration including Coventry City, Derby County, Wigan, Leeds United (10 points 2006-07 & 15 points 2007-08), Rotherham United, Crystal Palace, QPR

Luton Town received a 30 point deduction from The FA in 2008-09 after historical financial irregularities which ultimately relegated them to the conference.

Luton's points deduction is a combination of different things over different times they were awarded. It was more like 10 points for going bust then another 10 for coming out of administration without a plan and another 10 for dodgy transfers. All at different time points.

 

[KearsleyBlue]

Got to admit, until today I’ve wanted Everton relegated; their constant narrow escapes just because three others were even shitter in recent seasons annoyed me.

But I was wrong, and have changed my mind. They’re the victim of a rag-influenced financial witch-hunt and I hope they fight like an enraged gorilla against everybody at the injustice of it. Starting with destroying the debt-ridden slimy rag cunts in the next game. Hundreds of millions in debt but untouchable it seems. Come on Everton. Fight.

Fuck ffp. Fuck the rags.

How are they a victim when there's literally proof they broke the rules?

 

[mexico1970]

How are they a victim when there's literally proof they broke the rules?

The point is that the rules are slanted in favour of certain clubs who it appears can do what they want, the PL need to apply their rules evenly or not have them at all.

 

[KearsleyBlue]

Everton taking the fight to the corrupt PL cunts and more will follow. Won't end well for the PL

They haven't got a a penny to fund a fight on that scale. Even bigger problems coming their way with the ownership situation too.

 

[West Yorks Owl]

Luton's points deduction is a combination of different things over different times they were awarded. It was more like 10 points for going bust then another 10 for coming out of administration without a plan and another 10 for dodgy transfers. All at different time points.

It was yes, they also recieved a 10 point deduction for going into administration the previous season too, so 40 points in the space of 12 months.

 

[Semper aggressus]

How are they a victim when there's literally proof they broke the rules?

Because they only went over by a few million whereas the rags are hundreds of million in debt yet continue to spend with impunity.

This forensic examination of clubs’ finances was orchestrated by Utd because they feared they could no longer just outspend everyone, other clubs were catching up and overtaking them. Sky and the PL wanted a one club league, with their rag cash cow prevailing each season over one of their other favourites, Liverpool or Arsenal, with one of those winning it occasionally to keep it ‘interesting’.

Chelsea came along and fucked that up for them, then us, now Newcastle. The rag cunts and their sycophants are running scared and looking for ways to drag football back to the 90s. Everton are an easy first target, no threat, not a huge overspend, but a warning to others that this financial witch-hunt has some teeth. These ‘rules’ are just contrived to help Utd. Every other club should be fighting this arbitrary financial bollocks.

How can it be ok to be £400m in debt but not ok to overspend by less than a third of what the rags paid for Maguire?

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Everton spent a lot of money but it wasn’t an advantage because it was spent on dross like Pickford, Keane and Iwobi.