Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

goalmole said:
You've got all the foundation you need by looking at IDF and settler behaviour on the West Bank.
Nothing short of disgusting.
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That's still no precursor for an occupation of Gaza pre Oct 7th. In my opinion Hamas don't attack Israel then this current horrid situation doesn't exist. That may sound a bit simplistic but it's my belief.
 
Roachy said:
That last bit is total conjecture without any foundation whatsoever.
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I am afraid you are totally wrong. They have form for taking.land. The evidence is clear and undeniable. See under the disgusting behaviour of Israeli settlers with the encouragement from Netanyahu's government in the Occupied West Bank.
 
mexico1970 said:
Some of the videos I have watched have been shockingly bad, the settlers (thieves) have little to no moral compass.
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The thing is they literally steal the Palestinians property and then treat them like shit on their shoes just for kicks. That's obviously without the rampage of killing they are doing too.
 
The blue phantom said:
The thing is they literally steal the Palestinians property and then treat them like shit on their shoes just for kicks. That's obviously without the rampage of killing they are doing too.
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Watched a few of the videos and it's incredible how cruel humans can be to one and other.
 
The blue phantom said:
In some ways the Cruelty the settlers show to the Palestinians is as bad as the murders. Why would you want to punish them even more after taking away everything they had.
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What struck me mainly was the "I can do what I want because you don't count" attitude of the settlers to the people whose land and house they stole.

Fuck you get out and that's it.
 
Roachy said:
Fair enough, but as I've said on here a few times it's an opinion and nothing more.
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Opinions are one hing but facts are undeniable. The repeated human rights abuses, murders and thefts of Palestinian land by Israeli settlers with encouragement from Netanyahu's government are undeniable as is the imprisonment of Palestinians into an overpopulated Gaza prior to October 7th. Furthermore Israel have been in Gaza before. There is no justification for any killing or human rights abuses by either side. This didn't start on October 7th.
 
mexico1970 said:
Some of the videos I have watched have been shockingly bad, the settlers (thieves) have little to no moral compass.
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They have a moral compass. I'd been interested to know the numbers of atheist settlers. There are 500,000 settlers in the West Bank and 200,000 in east Jerusalem: how many of them are atheist?
 
Username Required said:
They have a moral compass. I'd been interested to know the numbers of atheist settlers. There are 500,000 settlers in the West Bank and 200,000 in east Jerusalem: how many of them are atheist?
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when you accuse the people who's land you have taken of stealing the rainfall ( against human rights law btw ) you probably have no moral compass

www.amnesty.org

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe water.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
 
bluethrunthru said:
when you accuse the people who's land you have taken of stealing the rainfall ( against human rights law btw ) you probably have no moral compass

www.amnesty.org

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe water.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
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They have a moral compass, but perhaps it isn't yours. I'd love to know the Israeli's theory of the person.
 
Username Required said:
They have a moral compass. I'd been interested to know the numbers of atheist settlers. There are 500,000 settlers in the West Bank and 200,000 in east Jerusalem: how many of them are atheist?
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Many are very orthodox Religious Zionists, like I said before most Israelis don’t want them living in Israel proper, there is a lot of strife between religious and secular Israelis
 
Zabbasbeard said:
I am afraid you are totally wrong. They have form for taking.land. The evidence is clear and undeniable. See under the disgusting behaviour of Israeli settlers with the encouragement from Netanyahu's government in the Occupied West Bank.
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I'll wholeheartedly admit to being totally wrong if you can prove it.
 

Roachy said:
That's still no precursor for an occupation of Gaza pre Oct 7th. In my opinion Hamas don't attack Israel then this current horrid situation doesn't exist. That may sound a bit simplistic but it's my belief.
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At least you recognise now you have simplistic beliefs. That's progress.
 
Roachy said:
That last bit is total conjecture without any foundation whatsoever.
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It took me longer than I expected to find it, because most "reoccupy gaza settlements" searches bring up post Oct 7 stuff, but it wasn't that hard. The ultra right still think Gaza is part of Israel.

new.thecradle.co

Knesset member says Gaza will be 'reclaimed' by Israel

Israeli troops and settlers withdrew from the Gaza strip in 2005
new.thecradle.co new.thecradle.co
 
Ducado said:
Many are very orthodox Religious Zionists, like I said before most Israelis don’t want them living in Israel proper, there is a lot of strife between religious and secular Israelis
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Are they mostly Jews who have always lived in the region, as opposed to those who immigrated from Europe? Or is that nothing to do with the settlers in the West Bank?
 
Roachy said:
That's still no precursor for an occupation of Gaza pre Oct 7th. In my opinion Hamas don't attack Israel then this current horrid situation doesn't exist. That may sound a bit simplistic but it's my belief.
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A belief without a rational foundation and knowledge is merely a prejudice.

There was another horrid situation that existed in Gaza before October 7th, and that was the incarceration and repression of a population of 2.3 million people in a small strip of land where the air, land and sea is controlled by a hostile power which also controls the food, water, fuel, power, medical supplies at a subsistence level. Where there is no opportunity to develop an economy, which has an unemployment rate of 40% with the available jobs paying barely enough survive on. There are people in Gaza who have never known what it is like to eat a full meal.
On top of all this the separation wall is an automated killing machine with remote cameras, sensors and guns. Where cameras and automated guns point directly at people's houses and roofs of houses waiting to detect movement before immediately opening fire.
On top of this again, the IDF regularly bombs the Strip in what they call "mowing the lawn", designed to degrade infrastructure and any development the residents of this concentration camp may have managed to build up since the last time the lawn was mowed.
No one can live under the conditions Israel imposes on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
The only surprising thing about this is that it took as long as it did for the Palestinians to rise up and fight back in anyway they could.


This conflict did not start on October 7th.
You really need to look a bit deeper at the occupation. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube, made by reputable journalists and news organisations that you need to look at and then come back hand on heart and tell us if you would be willing to live under those conditions without wanting to fight for your family, your house, your land and your people.
 
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