Media Discussion - 2023/24

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I'm a bit confused what sportswashing is supposed to mean nowadays.

I can't recall a time when football supporters didn't slag off journos that criticised their clubs.

Didn't matter who owned the club and where they are from. And it often didn't matter whether the criticism of club was legitimate or not.

So when a Liverpool or Arsenal supporter slags off a journo that's just could old fashioned passion, but if you have an owner from a certain part of the world it becomes something more sinister?

Maybe the reason the likes of Harris, Delaney etc cop it so much from blues is because of the incessant nature of criticism they make of the club and often the supporters themselves. To be honest, I'm surprised they haven't copped more.
 
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PPT said:
An interesting read but he references Delaney, Schindler, the Guardian and the Independent to support and underpin his findings. The academic article lacks balance and credibility as it fails to offer and present virtually any opposing, alternative viewpoint or argument. Which it should. Whoever wrote it will probably have received a B as a mark and he or she will be happy enough with that. However, it didn’t highlight or articulate anything that wasn’t already known and therefore doesn’t add to ‘the body of knowledge’.
I would have marked it a B minus at best.
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B for Bollocks, not Balance
 
halfcenturyup said:
Well he hasn't been paying attention. I got as far as time-barring then gave up.
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Yes . No reference to the positive commentary im the CAS judgement.
Also.fumny how no other aspect.of dealing with Abu Dhabi/UAE is ever in need of justification, boxng, golf, horse racing let alone selling them arms etc. Only ciry finishing above their favourites is a problem.
 
Platt Lane 59 said:
A logical thought, everyone would imagine ?
However, since City started dominating English football (starting around 2016 ?), the media stated to realise that we could really dominate and "own" the Premier League. This was against the wishes of the Premier League under Scudamore.
Not sure when "sports washing" was generally adopted by the press, but this mysterious Arab-centric phrase seemed to transform City into the "enemy" which denied fair competition.
The "open and democratically" American-owned clubs obviously were seen as the correct type of owners by primarily, Sky and subsequently BT.
Individually, rival football fans generally admire City and their legends e.g. Aquero, Kompany, David Silva.
However, the current media do not want one dominant club. This is different to Liverpool's era as the top team, or even the initial Sky years when MUFC won many Premier League titles.
They cannot slag off Pep or (generally) the players performances and behaviour.
So the UAE owners are the evil enemy, which will be amplified if Newcastle really threaten the Red Shirts.
Ask the Red Shirt fans if they would accept a Qatari takeover ?
I would imagine most would no in public, but say yes, privately...
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Drive past the march hare in Cheadle hulme, one of the cunts on the road had a flagpole with a rag badge and the qatari flag flying together
 
Newman Noggs said:
Very poor research with no academic merit whatsoever. Clearly researched and written with the authors' political and sporting bias embedded in order to reach pre-determined conclusion. You can tell that from words such as "concerning" which tells the reader that the researchers already have a view on the opinions expressed.

It surprises me that the authors have not disclosed any conflict of interest. That strikes me as intellectually dishonest and disqualifies it from serious consideration.
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I agree with those opinions.
In addition they refer to Abu Dhabi from the outset as 'sportswashers' insinuating that our owners fall into some category identified by the author.
If you use the fact that the original term was penned by human rights supporters groups. Visit Amnestys Web site you can see that every world country is allocated a score based on a multitude of socio economic factors used to give a score on a sliding scale. The fact the USA scores very very marginally better on that scale than AD is telling or hgat Saudi Arabia scores considerably worse. Yet AD is grouped with SA as the 'sportswashers'. More people were put to death in the USA than AD in several of the preceeding years yet nowhere can you find reference to the good ol USA ownership of sports franchises as 'oppressive' or that they fall into the sportswashing group.
I'm well aware that AD is an emirate in which Islam is the country's faith and that the laws and common practices of that country (UAE) are perceived in other countries in some instances as draconian or misogynistic, anti-western etc. I don't agree that the western world can impose any form of idealistic behaviour or viewpoints to justify their own theocratic ideals on such countries. Its THEIR business.
One can only ask that whilst operating in our country they obey our laws and conform to our moral standards and follow our ideals as a minimum. Someone tell me of any instance where our owners have not.
 
lastmanback said:
Someone watching blue moon forum.
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"In the thread on the 2019 FA Cup final, for instance, MCFC's finances act as a structuring absence for users."

WHY WOULD PEOPLE DISCUSS A COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TOPIC???

Have these people ever watched a sporting event or even spoke to another human being. Do they not understand the forum has more than one thread.

The overwhelming bulk of the content of the paper is saying that any praise towards the club or Pep (strangely singled out many times) is actually praise towards the treatment of citizens of Abu Dhabi.

That is nonsense. You are not morally responsible for what people you give money to do. I don't support child labour by shopping at Primark, I don't support pouring oil into the ocean when filling up my car with petrol and I don't support suppressing human rights because I support City.

The truth is the vast majority of users on here don't care who the owners are. If we were sold to someone deemed morally acceptable tomorrow, people wouldn't be grieving. We only care that the best happens to MCFC.
 
Last week when the Everton story broke, the BBC Have Your Say was full of the "what about City" shite and my pro City comment was removed for being deemed as "off topic" and "derailing the thread".
Today Barnsely are thrown out of the FA Cup and once again the HYS turns into "when are those cheating bastards at City going to get banned?".
Let's see how long my post remains up for this time!
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Last week when the Everton story broke, the BBC Have Your Say was full of the "what about City" shite and my pro City comment was removed for being deemed as "off topic" and "derailing the thread".
Today Barnsely are thrown out of the FA Cup and once again the HYS turns into "when are those cheating bastards at City going to get banned?".
Let's see how long my post remains up for this time!
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Well I didn't have to wait long as this email just popped in.
A complaint is going off to the BBC.
It is clear- "City are cheating bastards" is on topic.
"Actually no they are not because...." is off topic
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Well I didn't have to wait long as this email just popped in.
A complaint is going off to the BBC.
It is clear- "City are cheating bastards" is on topic.
"Actually no they are not because...." is off topic
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Flogging a dead Horse here, there can only be one possible reason why your message was deleted and that's because the moderators are red top fans.

One of the many reasons I cannot abide the BBC.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Well I didn't have to wait long as this email just popped in.
A complaint is going off to the BBC.
It is clear- "City are cheating bastards" is on topic.
"Actually no they are not because...." is off topic
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Email in to go head-to-head with Sutton as an ex-tv star working in the community over in the US of A they'll snap you up, then in the blurb before the predictions say it all again.

Seriously they're a fucking disgrace, they go on & on about impartiality and BBC Verify and they're just full of shit.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Well I didn't have to wait long as this email just popped in.
A complaint is going off to the BBC.
It is clear- "City are cheating bastards" is on topic.
"Actually no they are not because...." is off topic
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Tell them you are taking the complaint to Ofcom. This happens far too much to be coincidence.

www.ofcom.org.uk

Make a complaint

Ofcom may be able to help you complain about phone, broadband and postal services, TV, radio and on-demand programmes, interference to wireless devices, or something you have seen on a video-sharing platform.
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Well I didn't have to wait long as this email just popped in.
A complaint is going off to the BBC.
It is clear- "City are cheating bastards" is on topic.
"Actually no they are not because...." is off topic
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Some on here still believe the British Bolshe Corporation provide good value for money and here's proof of the excellent value their employees provide. Imagine them going home at night thinking what a great service they have provided, having ensured that public debate has been totally destroyed.
 
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