PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[BobKowalski]

I seem to remember when Mancini was appointed something was said along the lines of Khaldoon already had a (working?) relationship with Mancini. The word trust(ed) may have been used too

Having said that my memory isn’t always as accurate as I’d like, so I might have made that up :)

Yep. That’s my recollection as well. Mancini was employed or working as a consultant. I assumed at the time it was more akin to paying him a retainer or having first option on his services should the City job come up.

 

[Maly]

I remember that too or something like he already knew him.

If it’s a few of us remembering, it either true or illusory truth effect?

 

[Paladin]

Pretty sure Steffan has gone on record to say European and uk laws are the same and it is 6 years in both cases unless there is evidence of concealment then it’s fair game.

I'm not trained in law, so I would always defer to a trained lawyer. But most countries have a limitation period of 6 years. UEFA has its own limit of 5 years, so does not have to rely on laws of its member countries.

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

The PL does not specify it's own limitation period, so it must abide by English law which states that an action founded on tort (a wrongful act, outside of a contract, that results in injury or loss to another party) shall not be allowed after a period of 6 years has elapsed since the cause of the action.

There are exceptions from the general rule, and these are in Section 32 of The Limitation Act 1980. They are when:

(a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or
(b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff’s right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or
(c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;

Limitation Act 1980

An Act to consolidate the Limitation Acts 1939 to 1980.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[journolud]

It stinks to high heaven that other clubs are trying to force the proceedings along quicker.
I would imagine the hold up is our end as the pl have all the evidence to bring the charges, so that's why there's press from other clubs.
It took the pl 4 years to find their evidence so it could take us 4 years to prove them wrong.

I fucking hate the fucking dippers

More likely the hold up is because the PL have laid the charges and are now scurrying around trying to find some evidence

 

[jrb]

So what happened to all the other 10,000’s of hacked emails De Speigel were going to make public about other PL clubs, European clubs, managers, players and agents? Quietly forgotten about once they made the City emails public. A clear and orchestrated plan by De Speigel, aided by PL clubs and European clubs, and their owners.

 

[ste.sully]

I'm not trained in law, so I would always defer to a trained lawyer. But most countries have a limitation period of 6 years. UEFA has its own limit of 5 years, so does not have to rely on laws of its member countries.

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

The PL does not specify it's own limitation period, so it must abide by English law which states that an action founded on tort (a wrongful act, outside of a contract, that results in injury or loss to another party) shall not be allowed after a period of 6 years has elapsed since the cause of the action.

There are exceptions from the general rule, and these are in Section 32 of The Limitation Act 1980. They are when:

(a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or
(b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff’s right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or
(c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;

Limitation Act 1980

An Act to consolidate the Limitation Acts 1939 to 1980.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Each of the 20 clubs are shareholders so it is not as simple as this. I don't believe there is a contract between Manchester City and the Premier League that puts a 6 or 12 limitation period into force.

UEFA just have a 5 year limitation period as it varies so much between European jurisdictions that an averaged timeframe of sorts has to be put in place to be fair to all clubs from around Europe. I believe it is 3 years in Germany whereas it could be 12 years in the UK if signed as a deed.

But yes there is a general argument as to how far back we go. For instance there were reports last week that Tottenham were being looked at over Jermaine Defoe transfer from Portsmouth - but that was 15 years ago! I mean how far back do we go? Memories and recollections fade after all which is one of the reasons we have limitation periods. I fear we have opened a pandora's box and there are a lot of guilty clubs.

 

[richards30]

So what happened to all the other 10,000’s of hacked emails De Speigel were going to make public about other PL clubs, European clubs, managers, players and agents? Quietly forgotten about once they made the City emails public. A clear and orchestrated plan by De Speigel, aided by PL clubs and European clubs, and their owners.

Like the Falcao friendly for €5m that never happened?

 

[M18CTID]

Mancini had a consultancy role with Al Jazira FC prior to joining City, it was discussed on here at the time he was appointed (Dec. 2009). When he joined City he signed the new contract with Al Jazira FC that you referred to.

Thanks for this. That was my recollection too - that he was working for Al Jazira before he got the job at City.

 

[give it to gordon]

So what happened to all the other 10,000’s of hacked emails De Speigel were going to make public about other PL clubs, European clubs, managers, players and agents? Quietly forgotten about once they made the City emails public. A clear and orchestrated plan by De Speigel, aided by PL clubs and European clubs, and their owners.

I have often wonder why the rest weren't released. Could he have been working for the American owners ?

 

[LongsightM13]

@robbohuyton


Why does almost everyone that's had anything to do with @theanfieldwrap look like they enjoy the smell of their own farts? Wasn't that the same channel that sky sports news bitter came from, Melissa Reddy?

He’s the biggest dick of the lot amid some extremely fierce competition

 

[KS55]

Remember, City were the only prem club (or was it top six?) to vote for an independent regulator, I guess because they don’t trust the PL.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

No. They used the login of an existing employee.

But it's irrelevant because (as I understand it) once that settlement is agreed and signed, there's no further civil or criminal recourse unless there's a specific provision in the settlement agreement.

We might of but The prem / fa didn’t settle anything, nothing to stop them looking into it if they didn’t know at the time? Or the police for that matter

 

[Holcombe bloo]

Get ready for 25/26 back to our roots !

Playing Stockport County away, singing, “ Champions of Europe, you’ll never sing that “

Kicked out of PL (demoted to League One)

I think it’s a certainty. I mean Barnsley kicked out of FA Cup for ACCIDENTALLY playing an ineligible player.

Surely that’s less of an offence than City using ill gotten funds to buy, and play, superstars who could not have been afforded otherwise [emoji15]

Have you dropped an acid?

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Remember, City were the only prem club (or was it top six?) to vote for an independent regulator

Has this ever been confirmed? I've seen it mentioned on here, but never read or heard this from an actual source confirming it to be the case.

 

[KS55]

Has this ever been confirmed? I've seen it mentioned on here, but never read or heard this from an actual source confirming it to be the case.

Er…dunno.

 

[johnnytapia]

It was 23 years after the Computer Misuse Act though. And GDPR has been around for years. My first freelance contract in 2004 involved GDPR.

Gordon Davies Public Relations ?
@gordondaviesmoustache

 

[Bald fraud]

Think this will be us basically saying if our stuff isn’t time barred then neither should there's be. Absolutely nothing will come of it

 

[Spanishbob]

Step away from the bar Bob. :-)

Did and fell on my arse. Bloody strong Spanish beer you should know. Hic

 

[ArniArason]

I have often wonder why the rest weren't released. Could he have been working for the American owners ?

It's simple. There weren't any other clubs hacked, it was just a cover story. If they announced only city was hacked then there would have been awkward questions about why it was only city and more importantly, who funded/requested the hack. Saying it was widespread meant that those awkward questions were never asked. Then as time passed and City took the heat, everyone else forgot about the apparent other hacks. It was quite clever really.

Make no mistake about it, the hack was requested by at least one of our main rivals, either domestic or European. Think bayern, liverpool, united and you wouldn't be far wrong.

 

[Barcon]

We might of but The prem / fa didn’t settle anything, nothing to stop them looking into it if they didn’t know at the time? Or the police for that matter

I thought I read at the time that we took it to the prem/F.A and they were the ones that mediated and came up with the penalty.
I could be wrong.