United Thread - 2023/24

[TinFoilHat]

On a brighter note

Former Man Utd star convicted after using dead person's blue badge

He claimed he bought it 'from someone in Old Trafford'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Gazpacho in the future.

 

[blue by birth]

If United get bounced out and play in the Thursday Night Cup they could end up playing Liverpool in the final in Dublin if they both get there..
Dublin would be one place I would stay away from and the trouble they had there last week would come nowhere near what would happen if those two got to the Final..
Also I honestly believe that final would be more relevant and grabb more headlines than this seasons Champions League Final around the world. .

Fuck me you are one deluded twat...
A final between 2 teams who have won 1 (one) Premier league title between them since 2014..
Bigger than the Champions league...
Seriously are you for fucking real??

 

[remember arthur mann]

When will the prices actually realise what that sign meant?

How does that work ?

 

[bluenova]

Luton’s keeper using the stats that say Nana is 2nd best. That highlights the stupidity of his statement

It's not that daft - but I understand why it seems so. The stat is how many goals the keeper has stopped above and beyond what's expected.

Clearly the keepers facing a lot of shots can do better here, hence Luton, but you can take that out by looking at the percentages.

If you're conceding 30 goals instead of 34 - that's nowhere near as good as conceding 10 instead of 14, despite both keepers preventing 4 goals.

In percentage terms in the PL this year Onana is still second, with only Alisson ahead of him. Alisson, despite making plenty of clangers against City, has consistently been one of the top few shot stoppers in world football, so that's much more impressive company to be in.

Onana was also, by some distance, the best keeper in terms of preventing goals in the Champions League last year. He's arguably the main reason why Inter got anywhere near the final.

He's clearly a bizarre keeper, given how many errors he's made already, but Ten Hag is right, that even with those errors, he's helped United significantly in the PL this season.

 

[ysmsa]

Fuck me you are one deluded twat...
A final between 2 teams who have won 1 (one) Premier league title between them since 2014..
Bigger than the Champions league...
Seriously are you for fucking real??

Spot on.

They played each other in the Top of the Pops Trophy a few years ago and no one gave a shit!

Lots of Tragedy type behaviour from both sides but not deemed as bad as some half arsed marker pen graffiti on a toilet door scrawled by a Dipper Steward a few years later!

 

[levets]

It's not that daft - but I understand why it seems so. The stat is how many goals the keeper has stopped above and beyond what's expected.

Clearly the keepers facing a lot of shots can do better here, hence Luton, but you can take that out by looking at the percentages.

If you're conceding 30 goals instead of 34 - that's nowhere near as good as conceding 10 instead of 14, despite both keepers preventing 4 goals.

In percentage terms in the PL this year Onana is still second, with only Alisson ahead of him. Alisson, despite making plenty of clangers against City, has consistently been one of the top few shot stoppers in world football, so that's much more impressive company to be in.

Onana was also, by some distance, the best keeper in terms of preventing goals in the Champions League last year. He's arguably the main reason why Inter got anywhere near the final.

He's clearly a bizarre keeper, given how many errors he's made already, but Ten Hag is right, that even with those errors, he's helped United significantly in the PL this season.

I trust my eyes. Nana is not even in top 5 in PL, and of course Luton’s keeper is not the best. All those stats do is highlight shit defences

 

[Metal Biker]

If United get bounced out and play in the Thursday Night Cup they could end up playing Liverpool in the final in Dublin if they both get there..
Dublin would be one place I would stay away from and the trouble they had there last week would come nowhere near what would happen if those two got to the Final..
Also I honestly believe that final would be more relevant and grabb more headlines than this seasons Champions League Final around the world. .

I give you two more weeks.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Not a good car for turning corners.

Great in the “transition” though.

 

[bluenova]

I trust my eyes. Nana is not even in top 5 in PL, and of course Luton’s keeper is not the best. All those stats do is highlight shit defences

The percentages don't highlight shit defences.

The "shit defence" stat is the reason why Kaminski is so high - although he's still doing well as there are others conceding lots of goals who aren't "better" than expected.

I suspect your eyes have, like mine, videos of Onana's mistakes gleefully, but I doubt any of us have gone searching out videos of every save he's made for United.

 

[southamptonblue]

It's not that daft - but I understand why it seems so. The stat is how many goals the keeper has stopped above and beyond what's expected.

Clearly the keepers facing a lot of shots can do better here, hence Luton, but you can take that out by looking at the percentages.

If you're conceding 30 goals instead of 34 - that's nowhere near as good as conceding 10 instead of 14, despite both keepers preventing 4 goals.

In percentage terms in the PL this year Onana is still second, with only Alisson ahead of him. Alisson, despite making plenty of clangers against City, has consistently been one of the top few shot stoppers in world football, so that's much more impressive company to be in.

Onana was also, by some distance, the best keeper in terms of preventing goals in the Champions League last year. He's arguably the main reason why Inter got anywhere near the final.

He's clearly a bizarre keeper, given ho

w many errors he's made already, but Ten Hag is right, that even with those errors, he's helped United significantly in the PL this season.

....and that is exactly why stats are pretty meaningless in football, just my opinion, but when people start trying to back their opinion with "stats" it shows how little they know about football.........not aimed at you, I realise you were explaining them ;)

 

[Stoned Rose]

If United get bounced out and play in the Thursday Night Cup they could end up playing Liverpool in the final in Dublin if they both get there..
Dublin would be one place I would stay away from and the trouble they had there last week would come nowhere near what would happen if those two got to the Final..
Also I honestly believe that final would be more relevant and grabb more headlines than this seasons Champions League Final around the world. .

You need to up your meds mate.

 

[bluenova]

....and that is exactly why stats are pretty meaningless in football, just my opinion, but when people start trying to back their opinion with "stats" it shows how little they know about football.........not aimed at you, I realise you were explaining them ;)

I'd have thought not letting in many goals, despite facing lots of difficult shots, is a pretty straightforward stat for a keeper.

Still, what would I know ;)

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Did he get a ticket like Joe Public would have done?

Proof that abject failure pays , signed a £350k a week five year contract and then turns to shite , Rags the club that keeps on giving

 

[levets]

The percentages don't highlight shit defences.

The "shit defence" stat is the reason why Kaminski is so high - although he's still doing well as there are others conceding lots of goals who aren't "better" than expected.

I suspect your eyes have, like mine, videos of Onana's mistakes gleefully, but I doubt any of us have gone searching out videos of every save he's made for United.

Of course they do, a poor defence gives up loads of chances, therefore keepers are busier and make more saves. That’s what I’m getting at.

 

[bluenova]

Of course they do, a poor defence gives up loads of chances, therefore keepers are busier and make more saves.

You've still not read my first post.

If a keeper is expected to concede 34 goals (the "shit defence"), but only concedes 30, they've prevented 4 goals, which is just over 10% better than expected.

If a keeper is expected to concede 14 goals, but only concedes 10, they've also prevented 4 goals, but that's nearly 30% better than expected.

Onana is second only to Alisson in % terms. He also has the best save % in the league at just under 80% - again only Alisson is comparable.

Only 4 teams have conceded less goals than United in the Premier League, so suggesting they have a shit defence just isn't true.

 

[Fat Chance]

Nana pushes a lot of shots to the opponent to score..not sure how that will book him but one thing's for sure he wont be catching a shot straight at him if he can squeeze a double pike into the plot.

 

[levets]

You've still not read my first post.

If a keeper is expected to concede 34 goals (the "shit defence"), but only concedes 30, they've prevented 4 goals, which is just over 10% better than expected.

If a keeper is expected to concede 14 goals, but only concedes 10, they've also prevented 4 goals, but that's nearly 30% better than expected.

Onana is second only to Alisson in % terms. He also has the best save % in the league at just under 80% - again only Alisson is comparable.

Only 4 teams have conceded less goals than United in the Premier League, so suggesting they have a shit defence just isn't true.

I’ve read it it sure, I just don’t agree with any findings/stats that say Nana is the 2nd best in the PL. as I said, I trust my eyes, he’s very inconsistent. Are you saying he is a better keeper than Ederson, Martinez, Pope? Surely not.

 

[bluenova]

I’ve read it it sure, I just don’t agree with any findings/stats that say Nana is the 2nd best in the PL. as I said, I trust my eyes, he’s very inconsistent. Are you saying he is a better keeper than Ederson, Martinez, Pope? Surely not.

I'm saying that he currently is second best this season in terms of preventing that ball going in the net when the opponent has a shot on target.

Last season he was the best by far in the Champions League when it came to preventing shots going into the goal.

You'll get plenty of people who will argue that's the best thing a keeper can do, but these days it's clearly more complicated.

Ederson is the ideal keeper for Man City - he's clearly on another level with his feet. He's also been shown to stop a lot of goals by being a front foot keeper - sweeping up, and claiming crosses. He too is very good at making saves, but has never been one of the very, very best at shot stopping.

 

[billymumphrey]

How long are his fucking arms on that poster!

Doesn't bode well, that'll be from digging deeps into his pockets for a bit of change :-)

 

[talkativesprout]

United getting investigated by Trafford Council after a food poisoning outbreak that is thought due to under cooked Poultry...Well they needed something to go with the stuffing they receive each week