PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

If we are punished PL teams up and down the country will celebrate. The PL is a collection of clubs and none of them will be worse off if we're found guilty. Everton fans may not like the idea of one side fewer threatening Liverpool but they'll live with it as they were one of the architects of the Premier League. - Something lost in their recent protests.
Any hopes of a truly independent regulator are pie in the sky. In order for the regulator to function they will need an in depth understanding of how football operates at the top level, and that understanding can only be gained by experience. Consequently I expect the regulating group to be stuffed with "independent" rags, "independent" dippers and "independent" Goons or Spuds. - If the regulator is truly independent then I expect the US owned cartel to run rings around them.

US lobbying cunts!

 

[BrianW]

There is no such thing as 'independent' as every single one of us has our biases. It's part of the human condition.

The nearest you get to it is a proper judge who has been trained to think objectively and weigh all the evidence before them. But even judges can't help sometimes being swayed by their own opinions, politics and culture. They would be superhuman if they could turn these influences off altogether.

A body like the one proposed is 'independent' in the sense it is not part of the industry. But it would be amazing if it was not influenced by major actors in the industry, just as we see with the other so-called regulators, most of which are as useful as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking competition. It may be better than nowt, but it will be no panacea.

 

[Random Precision]

Interesting re FFP and from someone who knows his stuff.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Pork pie butty you say……….

Ever seen a Wigan wedding cake?
3 pies of varying sizes with a skewer through the middlep.....

 

[Newman Noggs]

Any hopes of a truly independent regulator are pie in the sky. In order for the regulator to function they will need an in depth understanding of how football operates at the top level, and that understanding can only be gained by experience. Consequently I expect the regulating group to be stuffed with "independent" rags, "independent" dippers and "independent" Goons or Spuds. - If the regulator is truly independent then I expect the US owned cartel to run rings around them.

People pinning their hopes on an independent regulator are going to be very disappointed. As a government agency it will be filled with what are, essentially, civil servants. Its internal lawyers will be the kind of lawyers who wouldn't be employed by the private sector, and should they outsource their legal work, it will only be at government rates which immediately loses the interest of the big-hitters. Furthermore, the government can't afford to lose contentious cases either politically or financially, so will strenuously avoid making decisions that will be challenged and taking only the very lowest hanging fruit.

The government have great difficulty disqualifying ordinary company directors, the idea that a civil servant on £50k a year is going to go to Court to stop a billionaire owning a top club is utterly fanciful, much less that the regulator is going to challenge anything that the PL does.

In practice, all it will try to do is "redistribute" the money earned by the highest levels of the game, to...er..."more equitable" causes.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Interesting re FFP and from someone who knows his stuff.

See page 3502

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Taking the blue tinted specs off , what business would self inflict damage by removing the crown in the jewel of their business , if the Premier league even issue a nominal punishment it would make the last decade of their "brand" a mockery. Ruining the reputation of the Premeir league just to appease four football clubs is a decision that will cost people their jobs ,not sure if Master's has thought this one through but i am quite sure with our robust denials he is now regretting being the whipping boy for the Rags/Dipper/Goons & Spuds.
An indpendent regulator with absolutely no influence from the greedy mismanaged four clubs has to be a move in the right direction , it would mean the other sixteen clubs will have a voice.
The cartel is ending and they are trying every dirty trick in the book to keep the status quo , but like one of their hit records , they are going to have to "Roll Over and Lay Down" when a government independent regulator is in place

Never underestimate people’s greed and stupidity. Masters’ doesn’t care about the PL. Like so many people in such roles he has a personal agenda. He was vetted and chosen for the job. He will quit with a big pay-off and bounce back in a top job shortly afterwards. A bit like his pal Parry.

 

[Random Precision]

See page 3502

Didn’t realise it had been posted, a legal challenge against FFP and FMV needs to be made. Nick De Marco knows his shit, it only favours the old top four clubs, time it was gone.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Didn’t realise it had been posted, a legal challenge against FFP and FMV needs to be made. Nick De Marco knows his shit, it only favours the old top four clubs, time it was gone.

About time Football realised it’s not above the law of the land.

There could be an outcome with City where we go for it, as we have nothing to lose. Probably not, but worth the PL bearing in mind!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

People pinning their hopes on an independent regulator are going to be very disappointed. As a government agency it will be filled with what are, essentially, civil servants. Its internal lawyers will be the kind of lawyers who wouldn't be employed by the private sector, and should they outsource their legal work, it will only be at government rates which immediately loses the interest of the big-hitters. Furthermore, the government can't afford to lose contentious cases either politically or financially, so will strenuously avoid making decisions that will be challenged and taking only the very lowest hanging fruit.

The government have great difficulty disqualifying ordinary company directors, the idea that a civil servant on £50k a year is going to go to Court to stop a billionaire owning a top club is utterly fanciful, much less that the regulator is going to challenge anything that the PL does.

In practice, all it will try to do is "redistribute" the money earned by the highest levels of the game, to...er..."more equitable" causes.

I think you are being a little unkind to public sector lawyers. There are plenty of very good, and some exceptional lawyers in the public sector (those who draft legalisation being one such example). There are plenty of legal professionals who eschew the corporate world with all the associated demands on their time and the pressure from cunty senior partners to bill for every fucking second on the clock - and they choose to have a lower salary in order that they can have a more appropriate work/life balance.

I think this is especially true of many female lawyers with childcare responsibilities in the public sector who simply don’t want to be working weekends and into the evening on weekdays to satisfy the greedy cunts at the top of the firm.

Just because a lawyer operates in the public sector it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t cut it in the commercial sphere; it could very well mean that money and working in a shiny building aren’t the be all and end all to them - and personally, give me them over some boring commercial corporate **** who’s got the social skills of a cardboard box - and who doubtless takes themselves far too seriously.

 

[Random Precision]

About time Football realised it’s not above the law of the land.

There could be an outcome with City where we go for it, as we have nothing to lose. Probably not, but worth the PL bearing in mind!

I just have a feeling that a legal challenge might not be that far away. If FFP and FMV are deemed to be anti competitive and are swept aside the panic in clubs like your neighbours, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal will be a joy to behold.

Re your charges, I’ve always said that you have a nuclear option by challenging FFP especially but hope Newcastle take action first.

 

[Cobwebcat]

I just have a feeling that a legal challenge might not be that far away. If FFP and FMV are deemed to be anti competitive and are swept aside the panic in clubs like your neighbours, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal will be a joy to behold.

Re your charges, I’ve always said that you have a nuclear option by challenging FFP especially but hope Newcastle take action first.

The thing that has always confused me is when a team like Everton are punished they should be on City’s side but instead say “what about punishing City too?” Like we are the enemy.

Its like your house gets robbed and instead of calling the cops you say to the robber “don’t forget to rob next door’s house too then everything will be fine”

 

[eastmanc]

The thing that has always confused me is when a team like Everton are punished they should be on City’s side but instead say “what about punishing City too?” Like we are the enemy.

Its like your house gets robbed and instead of calling the cops you say to the robber “don’t forget to rob next door’s house too then everything will be fine”

Your spot on, it's bizarre.

 

[Random Precision]

The thing that has always confused me is when a team like Everton are punished they should be on City’s side but instead say “what about punishing City too?” Like we are the enemy.

Its like your house gets robbed and instead of calling the cops you say to the robber “don’t forget to rob next door’s house too then everything will be fine”

I’ve had this arguement with them. Everton pleaded guilty to the charges therefore their case was dealt with. City are contesting the charges but they don’t, won’t accept that City are entitled to due process and mount a defence.

Their whatabouters were soon out in force as soon as they received their 10pt deduction. Scouse Mackems as we call them, behave exactly the same as our near and dearest, you should have a read of their main forum RTG, if you want a good laugh that is.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I think you are being a little unkind to public sector lawyers. There are plenty of very good, and some exceptional lawyers in the public sector (those who draft legalisation being one such example). There are plenty of legal professionals who eschew the corporate world with all the associated demands on their time and the pressure from cunty senior partners to bill for every fucking second on the clock - and they choose to have a lower salary in order that they can have a more appropriate work/life balance.

I think this is especially true of many female lawyers with childcare responsibilities in the public sector who simply don’t want to be working weekends and into the evening on weekdays to satisfy the greedy cunts at the top of the firm.

Just because a lawyer operates in the public sector it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t cut it in the commercial sphere; it could very well mean that money and working in a shiny building aren’t the be all and end all to them - and personally, give me them over some boring commercial corporate **** who’s got the social skills of a cardboard box - and who doubtless takes themselves far too seriously.

I’m acquainted with a couple of public sector lawyers and they are indeed very capable, but seeking the right work/life balance as a priority. Having said that, they're probably not upto the standard of those at Links, Clifford Chance or Freshfields etc but definitely shouldn’t be underestimated !

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

People pinning their hopes on an independent regulator are going to be very disappointed. As a government agency it will be filled with what are, essentially, civil servants. Its internal lawyers will be the kind of lawyers who wouldn't be employed by the private sector, and should they outsource their legal work, it will only be at government rates which immediately loses the interest of the big-hitters. Furthermore, the government can't afford to lose contentious cases either politically or financially, so will strenuously avoid making decisions that will be challenged and taking only the very lowest hanging fruit.

The government have great difficulty disqualifying ordinary company directors, the idea that a civil servant on £50k a year is going to go to Court to stop a billionaire owning a top club is utterly fanciful, much less that the regulator is going to challenge anything that the PL does.

In practice, all it will try to do is "redistribute" the money earned by the highest levels of the game, to...er..."more equitable" causes.

All true. But is it better than the current corrupt cabal

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’m acquainted with a couple of public sector lawyers and they are indeed very capable, but seeking the right work/life balance as a priority. Having said that, they're probably not upto the standard of those at Links, Clifford Chance or Freshfields etc but definitely shouldn’t be underestimated !

That’s fair comment about the Magic Circle firms because the bar is exceptionally high to get into those firms (as is the requirement to prostitute yourself) although not, in my experience, when it comes to social skills, empathy or personality.

And tbf, that wasn’t the test that @Newman Noggs set, which was simply the private sector more generally, which I think was both unfair and wrong.

 

[Blue Maverick]

 

[Newman Noggs]

I think you are being a little unkind to public sector lawyers. There are plenty of very good, and some exceptional lawyers in the public sector (those who draft legalisation being one such example). There are plenty of legal professionals who eschew the corporate world with all the associated demands on their time and the pressure from cunty senior partners to bill for every fucking second on the clock - and they choose to have a lower salary in order that they can have a more appropriate work/life balance.

I think this is especially true of many female lawyers with childcare responsibilities in the public sector who simply don’t want to be working weekends and into the evening on weekdays to satisfy the greedy cunts at the top of the firm.

Just because a lawyer operates in the public sector it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t cut it in the commercial sphere; it could very well mean that money and working in a shiny building aren’t the be all and end all to them - and personally, give me them over some boring commercial corporate **** who’s got the social skills of a cardboard box - and who doubtless takes themselves far too seriously.

Loved the last line.

As regards the rest, I guess we can only talk from our personal experience. My experience of instructing both public and private sector lawyers, is that, financial considerations permitting, I would choose the latter to act for me every time.

You point about good and bad is true, of course, and applies across the working population as a whole but, frankly, the personal work/life balance of the person I'm instructing matters less to me than their commitment to winning my case.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Loved the last line.

As regards the rest, I guess we can only talk from our personal experience. My experience of instructing both public and private sector lawyers, is that, financial considerations permitting, I would choose the latter to act for me every time.

You point about good and bad is true, of course, and applies across the working population as a whole but, frankly, the personal work/life balance of the person I'm instructing matters less to me than their commitment to winning my case.

‘Every time’ is a bold statement. There are plenty of lawyers in the private sector who are a fucking liability!

I take your point about the work/life balance not mattering to you, and why should it, but my point was that someone who isn’t consumed by their career, and advancement within it, isn’t necessarily an inferior lawyer to someone who is. There are plenty of highly capable lawyers to whom their career isn’t everything. That doesn’t mean they aren’t suitable, or even ideal, to instruct in a particular field.