PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

bobbyowenquiff said:
Definitely Der Spiegl. Pinto was just an opportunist who hacked millions of documents. City are a tiny fraction of his hack and we didn’t even feature in any of the charges when he was recently convicted of extortion. He is also facing more multiple charges. Spiegl have a track record of fabricating stories and were hammered by the regulators in Germany in another case.
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Just of sheer curiosity how did this Pinto **** get identified/caught?
 
Stoned Rose said:
Just of sheer curiosity how did this Pinto **** get identified/caught?
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Don't know all the details but I think he was caught in a sting by the Portugese police. He was demanding payment in return for data he had stolen from a Portugese Sports Agency (I think Doyen Sports). He demanded 500,000 Euros payment in return for him not releasing documents he had hacked from them. A meeting was set up with Pinto's then lawyer and their lawyers at a motorway services near Lisbon but undercover police were waiting for him. They had been after him for years. He apparently had hidden bank accounts all over the world. This is what was reported in the overseas media. The link below gives an indication of his previous blackmail and extortion tactics though of course the UK media treated him like a saint.

josimarfootball.com

Dirty John: The dark side of Rui Pinto - josimarfootball.com

Der Spiegel and other newspapers hail him as an important whistleblower, but five years ago Rui Pinto obtained 268,000 euro from two bank accounts in the Cayman Islands through hacking. Then he turned to football.
josimarfootball.com josimarfootball.com
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Don't know all the details but I think he was caught in a sting by the Portugese police. He was demanding payment in return for data he had stolen from a Portugese Sports Agency (I think Doyen Sports). He demanded 500,000 Euros payment in return for him not releasing documents he had hacked from them. A meeting was set up with Pinto's then lawyer and their lawyers at a motorway services near Lisbon but undercover police were waiting for him. They had been after him for years. He apparently had hidden bank accounts all over the world. This is what was reported in the overseas media. The link below gives an indication of his previous blackmail and extortion tactics though of course the UK media treated him like a saint.

josimarfootball.com

Dirty John: The dark side of Rui Pinto - josimarfootball.com

Der Spiegel and other newspapers hail him as an important whistleblower, but five years ago Rui Pinto obtained 268,000 euro from two bank accounts in the Cayman Islands through hacking. Then he turned to football.
josimarfootball.com josimarfootball.com
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Thanks BOQ, much appreciated mate.
 
wolviedinho said:
You would expect City being state owned and human rights abusers to let the Abu Dhabi secret service to act on Pinto and any other questionable person who seems intent to throw shit our way but no the club want to do everything by the book.

I would be more worried if we actually needed to use these shady techniques.
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We'd be merely fighting fire with fire.
 
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eyalluvitt said:
Yes and paid the PL for it all to go away
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Not the PL. Their dispute was with the EFL and they eventually settled with them a couple of years after winning the PL title. Fact is though, the whole episode of them breaching Championship FFP never got any widespread coverage in the media. I think The Guardian were the only ones to ever report on it. After all, the wider media were never going to write any negative articles about their fairytale title winners.

Fast forward to today and rumours abound that Leicester are going to sue Everton. If there’s any truth in that then it’s a fucking piss-take. Perhaps the clubs Leicester got promoted at the expense of can sue Leicester as well.
 
Dribble said:
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"According to the Mail On Sunday, Pinto has, through his lawyers, declared that he is willing to help the Premier League’s investigation, which has dragged on since December 2018, following the Football Leaks allegations.

What bearing that has on the case is unclear, partly because the extent and focus of the League’s investigation is not known, and partly because there is no indication that Pinto has any fresh evidence not already placed before Uefa, the League and CAS.

It seems that material is the same as Uefa used for their investigation, some of which was dismissed by CAS because it transgressed Uefa’s own rules that any alleged offences more than five years old were time-barred.

City critics claim that the Premier League’s own inquiry is not hindered in the same way, as there is no specific reference to a time limit in their rules.

But the League’s handbook does say that English law supersedes anything within those rules - and there is a six-year bar on any such cases under the Limitation Act."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-ffp-rui-pinto-21139440
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This hardens the suspicion that the PL rushed into this, because (alongside the way they messed up the documentation of the rule breaches) there's no way a competent lawyer allows them to charge us with offences going back as far as 2009/10.
 
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eyalluvitt said:
They say tainted titles despite half the PL failing FFP at one time or another, so if Fulham win the PL will it be tainted as they once failed FFP or Wolves or United
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and Liverpool (cleared by UEFA for some strange reason but we all know they did fail)
 
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Dribble said:
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"According to the Mail On Sunday, Pinto has, through his lawyers, declared that he is willing to help the Premier League’s investigation, which has dragged on since December 2018, following the Football Leaks allegations.

What bearing that has on the case is unclear, partly because the extent and focus of the League’s investigation is not known, and partly because there is no indication that Pinto has any fresh evidence not already placed before Uefa, the League and CAS.

It seems that material is the same as Uefa used for their investigation, some of which was dismissed by CAS because it transgressed Uefa’s own rules that any alleged offences more than five years old were time-barred.

City critics claim that the Premier League’s own inquiry is not hindered in the same way, as there is no specific reference to a time limit in their rules.

But the League’s handbook does say that English law supersedes anything within those rules - and there is a six-year bar on any such cases under the Limitation Act."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-ffp-rui-pinto-21139440
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You literally couldn't make it up. A criminal hacker is offering to help try to get us, presumably by more illegal activity, and this makes headline news and is taken seriously
 
Every email has a similar statement contained within it.
This is from Barclays Bank today.

Is it just me that doesn't get this?
 

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Prestwich_Blue said:
This hardens the suspicion that the PL rushed into this, because (alongside the way they messed up the documentation of the rule breaches) there's no way a competent lawyer allows them to charge us with offences going back as far as 2009/10.
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This is why after being calm, then shitting myself, I'm back to being calm about the whole mess which is where I reckon I'll remain.

After watching your YouTube analysis, I couldn’t find anything earth-shattering or new to add to what UEFA didn't cover in 2014 or 2018, apart from the sentence taken out of context from a cache of stolen emails, which according to UK Law must be time barred?

The only confusing thing is whether the time bar starts from the date of the alleged offence, or from the date the offence was uncovered? UK Law isn't clear on this as there are caveats dependent of the severity of the charges.

Then there's the definition of "offence". What we're being charged with maybe an "offence" against the "rules" of the PL's private members club, BUT the charge itself isn't an "offence" in UK Law.

Seeing as the PL itself says its rules don't supercede UK Law, I'm even more lost as to where they're going with this & the UK statute of limitations issues? \0/
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
You literally couldn't make it up. A criminal hacker is offering to help try to get us, presumably by more illegal activity, and this makes headline news and is taken seriously
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Moss Side's Finest said:
You literally couldn't make it up. A criminal hacker is offering to help try to get us, presumably by more illegal activity, and this makes headline news and is taken seriously
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And this story is three years old and since then Pinto has been found guilty of extortion, got a four years suspended jail sentence in Portugal, a sixth-month suspended sentence in France, and has been charged with 377 more offences. I am not sure he would be a credible witness!
 
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Moss Side's Finest said:
You literally couldn't make it up. A criminal hacker is offering to help try to get us, presumably by more illegal activity, and this makes headline news and is taken seriously
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If this alone doesn't shine a searchlight on UEFA/G14 & the PL's Hateful Eight's desperate attempts to nail City by any means necessary, then nothing will.
 
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