Mr Bates vs the Post Office

MCFC Wirral said:
I’ve worked in the civil service twice and IT support was very poor.
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Same here. Problem is no real IT experts in house across all of Govt Departments so have to resort to use of extortionate cost external 'consultants ' who don't understand the internal processes, hence CS departments end up with systems not fit for purpose, usually piggy backed off some commercial organisations software.

Anecdotally i heard that system they use for one of the new welfare benefits is US designed. The version they use was only in use in 2 of the US states as it is not as robust/ flexible but was cheaper than the version used in the other 51....

Same applies to lack of contractual law expertise- at all levels, hence stitch ups galore as only limited numbers of actual solicitors for each department.
 
kaz7 said:
Not everyone then ?
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No 3 different schemes, to cover those convicted Those that were part of the group litigation ie pursued for cash and the rest of us that were in a better financial position and made good the shortfall. Currently awaiting the information but I believe its limited to the ammount we payed in.
 
BringBackSwales said:
Complete agree, I was merely responding to the comments made to the poster calling him a snob. It is indeed the appropriate authorities that need to be brought to account here - just what the fuck were the governments of Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak doing about this - well I guess we can forgive Truss given the length of her tenure. Sunak is a **** - he does fuck all about it until acts drama makes the general public (aka the electorate) angry and then he acts like a fucking hero. I think that’s the point the poster who was called a snob was making, that it took a much watched tv drama to get politicians to do something, and that’s absolutely right. I would exclude Lord Arbuthnot from this as he did plenty, fair fuck to that man
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I didn't call anybody a snob. I said the comment that "the great British public need things like this on their telly in the front room to be aware of it" was snobbery. Completely different things. For example, I'm guessing you're not an idiot but have done some things in life that were idiotic.

I also completely agree that it has taken a tv drama to spur the politicians into action but casting a net over "the great British public" and saying they knew nothing about it until Toby Jones appeared is very misguided at best, when the person posting the claim is - you've guessed it - a member of the great British public.
 
kaz7 said:
I have seen that poor women who had got so depressed she had ECT treatment , she is broken , she was on again this morning , £75 grand to her is the biggest insult going
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I assume your talking about Jess Kaur?
Her case highlights the scale of this scandal in that she was one of the "lucky" ones because she was never convicted or actually a faced a trial. A judge through her case out but that took three years by which time her life was in ruins.
If it wasn't so tragic the way her case was dismissed would be amusing. Jess blamed the shortfalls on a faulty pin pad, the judge asked for the pin pad to be presented in court, POL said they couldn't present it. When asked why POL said it was because it had been sent for repair. The judge concluded that if the pad had been sent for repair it must have been faulty and dismissed the case!
 
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blueste41 said:
I assume your talking about Jess Kaur?
Her case highlights the scale of this scandal in that she was one of the "lucky" ones because she was never convicted or actually a faced a trial. A judge through her case out but that took three years by which time her life was in ruins.
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I didnt catch her name but sure that is her . My doubts about the just £75k extends to people like her , i think she will fall through the cracks in terms of compensation
 
ganganvince said:
No 3 different schemes, to cover those convicted Those that were part of the group litigation ie pursued for cash and the rest of us that were in a better financial position and made good the shortfall. Currently awaiting the information but I believe its limited to the ammount we payed in.
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Those that made good the shortfall presumably get all that back plus interest as a bare minimum, or are they just paying back the amounts stolen through contributions made?

There should also be compensation on top for the bullying behaviour and abusive/unfair contracts and false accusations. If they are trying to do it on the cheap again it just shows they are only pandering to the publicity
 
Eebo said:
Those that made good the shortfall presumably get all that back plus interest as a bare minimum, or are they just paying back the amounts stolen through contributions made?

There should also be compensation on top for the bullying behaviour and abusive/unfair contracts and false accusations. If they are trying to do it on the cheap again it just shows they are only pandering to the publicity
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Still awaiting the pack but my understanding is that I will only be able to claim any shortfalls made good but they will require a level of proof I may no longer have, in my case looking at around £4K annoying but not the end of the world we weren't really bullied as some were but were told no one else has an issue and you are contractually obliged to make good.
 
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ganganvince said:
Still awaiting the pack but my understanding is that I will only be able to claim any shortfalls made good but they will require a level of proof I may no longer have, in my case looking at around £4K annoying but not the end of the world we weren't really bullied as some were but were told no one else has an issue and you are contractually obliged to make good.
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Apologies if you have already explored this route but Howe+Co may be able to assist you in obtaining any documentation POL hold about the shortfalls and the monies you paid back.

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blueste41 said:
Apologies if you have already explored this route but Howe+Co may be able to assist you in obtaining any documentation POL hold about the shortfalls and the monies you paid back.

Home - Howe+Co Solicitors

Howe+Co Solicitors are a leading London law firm specialising in complex litigation both in the UK and internationally.
www.howe.co.uk www.howe.co.uk
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Thanks for that will have a troll through it later.

Edit have filled in the E form Thanks again
 
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marco said:
until those responsible have been jailed
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I hope this opens up avenues for all companies that have treated people like this. My mate worked for a franchise & got out when he realised they were driving their franchisees to bankruptcy then taking over & re-selling.
 
blueste41 said:
I assume your talking about Jess Kaur?
Her case highlights the scale of this scandal in that she was one of the "lucky" ones because she was never convicted or actually a faced a trial. A judge through her case out but that took three years by which time her life was in ruins.
If it wasn't so tragic the way her case was dismissed would be amusing. Jess blamed the shortfalls on a faulty pin pad, the judge asked for the pin pad to be presented in court, POL said they couldn't present it. When asked why POL said it was because it had been sent for repair. The judge concluded that if the pad had been sent for repair it must have been faulty and dismissed the case!
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Like so much else in life, the outcome of a trial can be based on the luck of the draw. Lots of other judges wouldn’t have taken that point as stridently.
 
Expect this to feature heavily in the news again today.
The European boss of Fujitsu, Paul Patterson, will face MPs on the Business and Trade select committee at 11:30 on Tuesday.

Rajbinder Sangha (Release Management Coordinator, Fujitsu Services Limited; former member of Fujitsu’s Fraud and Litigation Support Office) is due to face the Horizon IT enquiry at 10AM.
 
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