The British Monarchy

[mexico1970]

It's not just the money (although that could be hugely reduced by a reduction in Palaces/Castles and staff) it's the whole principal of entitlement and the class system.
Why is Andrew more of a person than you or me, why does he have a right to all the privileges, free homes, servants, fine everything at the expense of ordinary working (and struggling) people?
Why was Margaret allowed to spend most of her time on holiday in places like St Kitts at the taxpayers expense?

Entitlement.

Andrew is a scrote and I can't answer for him, I like the pomp and ceremony they have no real power so they don't impact my life other than watching a good old show every now and then.

I don't have anything against others wanting a republic as long as those wanting a republic accept that people also want the monarchy to remain, in reality the ones not wanting the monarchy are the ones who constantly harp on about how bad Britain is, they are in a minority but as you have seen wishing death on the royal family is something they don't shy away from.

It's very very hard to respect someone else's opinion when they don't respect yours.

 

[Bill Walker]

Of course you do. What I'm saying is though is that our quality of life here has absolutely nothing to do with the Monarchy.

I never mentioned your quality of life. I'm against entitlement and royalty. It has nothing to do with your quality of life or how much you hate Australia.
I'm against the principal of royalty and the enormous expense that Britain is happy to lavish on them just for being born.

Fine, have Charlie as a figurehead if you want someone to doff your cap too but take away all the Palaces and staff, trappings of extreme wealth. And get him to pay death duties and wear a seat belt like we all have too.

 

[Bill Walker]

Andrew is a scrote and I can't answer for him, I like the pomp and ceremony they have no real power so they don't impact my life other than watching a good old show every now and then.

I don't have anything against others wanting a republic as long as those wanting a republic accept that people also want the monarchy to remain, in reality the ones not wanting the monarchy are the ones who constantly harp on about how bad Britain is, they are in a minority but as you have seen wishing death on the royal family is something they don't shy away from.

It's very very hard to respect someone else's opinion when they don't respect yours.

I respect any monarchists opinion. Always have. If the majority still want them fair enough but do they need all the Palaces and all the other trappings of extreme wealth ?

 

[mexico1970]

I respect any monarchists opinion. Always have. If the majority still want them fair enough but do they need all the Palaces and all the other trappings of extreme wealth ?

The French have palaces that their heads of state use and so do the Germans and lots of other countries. I get that you have a bee in your bonnet about privilege but I really don't care because I know that there are privileged people the world over, I am happy with my lot.

The French actually paid more for their head of state than we pay the royals, my advice is to pull up a chair crack open a beer and just enjoy the show mate ;)

 

[blueinsa]

The French have palaces that their heads of state use and so do the Germans and lots of other countries. I get that you have a bee in your bonnet about privilege but I really don't care because I know that there are privileged people the world over, I am happy with my lot.

The French actually paid more for their head of state than we pay the royals, my advice is to pull up a chair crack open a beer and just enjoy the show mate ;)

They cost us nothing given the estimated £2Billion + they bring to the economy via the Royal Estates and tourism etc.

Thankfully they are not going anywhere.

 

[Blue and true]

Do you genuinely believe that America doesn’t have a class system?

Not in the same way the UK does, no. They have social and economic hierarchies, obviously; some are higher on that than others. But this subculture of "airs and graces" that we see in the UK doesn't really exist in the US. "Old money" doesn't have as strong a foothold on society. As the other poster pointed out, we live in a land of Earls, Lords, Dukes, Viscount's; I'm struggling to think of a single US counterpart (although I could be proven wrong), yet we're told to politely accept, endure, and pay for these people.

I would argue the division between class strata is starker in the UK than any other western nation; this division is perpetuated by those at the very top. How do they represent the ordinary, working people of this country?

 

[Blue and true]

It's not just the money (although that could be hugely reduced by a reduction in Palaces/Castles and staff) it's the whole principal of entitlement and the class system.
Why is Andrew more of a person than you or me, why does he have a right to all the privileges, free homes, servants, fine everything at the expense of ordinary working (and struggling) people?
Why was Margaret allowed to spend most of her time on holiday in places like St Kitts at the taxpayers expense?

Entitlement.

Nobody will be able to answer those questions, mate, because they can't be justifiably answered. At least, not by a rational mind.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Not in the same way the UK does, no. They have social and economic hierarchies, obviously; some are higher on that than others. But this subculture of "airs and graces" that we see in the UK doesn't really exist in the US. "Old money" doesn't have as strong a foothold on society. As the other poster pointed out, we live in a land of Earls, Lords, Dukes, Viscount's; I'm struggling to think of a single US counterpart (although I could be proven wrong), yet we're told to politely accept, endure, and pay for these people.

I would argue the division between class strata is starker in the UK than any other western nation; this division is perpetuated by those at the very top. How do they represent the ordinary, working people of this country?

I would disagree with regard to old money not having as strong a foothold in US society - they might not have the titles they possess in the UK, but in terms of their influence, wealth and demarcation from the rest of society, I think it’s at least on a par with the UK.

My own experience of the US is that class and in particular racial divisions are more marked than they are in the UK, even if the US obviously doesn’t have a formal structure around an aristocracy. Whether somebody is called an Earl or Viscount is no real relevance, unless you purposefully take exception to it.

 

[blueinsa]

Nobody will be able to answer those questions, mate, because they can't be justifiably answered. At least, not by a rational mind.

The tired old irrational/stupid/mental defence.

The Royal Family isn’t going anywhere, for your own sanity, move on ;-)

 

[mexico1970]

The tired old irrational/stupid/mental defence.

The Royal Family isn’t going anywhere, for your own sanity, move on ;-)

Robespierre and his legions will not be placated by mere feelings mate.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Is support for the royal family increasing?

Seems with each generation, more and more people can see through the bullshit.

 

[mexico1970]

Is support for the royal family increasing?

Seems with each generation, more and more people can see through the bullshit.

Can you put that comment in a time capsule and bury it somewhere so that in a 100 years one of the then royals can dig it up and laugh at you?

 

[Phil1]

Can you put that comment in a time capsule and bury it somewhere so that in a 100 years one of the then royals can dig it up and laugh at you?

Reading your and the other two who make up the 3 blusterteers posts on this and any other thread where you’ve banded together as an all for one and one for all tribute has gotten a bit fucking weird over the last couple of weeks.

I’m hoping it’s all an elaborate in joke between you otherwise I think you’ve all become a tad unhinged in your quest to be the bestest living Englishman.

Fresh air should help mate.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Can you put that comment in a time capsule and bury it somewhere so that in a 100 years one of the then royals can dig it up and laugh at you?

I'm not sure where you brown-nosers get your complacent attitude from.

 

[mexico1970]

Reading your and the other two who make up the 3 blusterteers posts on this and any other thread where you’ve banded together as an all for one and one for all tribute has gotten a bit fucking weird over the last couple of weeks.

I’m hoping it’s all an elaborate in joke between you otherwise I think you’ve all become a tad unhinged in your quest to be the bestest living Englishman.

Fresh air should help mate.

Not at all mate, having a different opinion to the English hating anti-monarchists isn't a joke really is it? 62% of the UK population support the monarchy and 23% are a don't know, my opinion isn't unusual it's mainstream.

 

[mexico1970]

I'm not sure where you brown-nosers get your complacent attitude from.

What have worldwide monarchies have to do with well documented polls in the UK showing support for OUR monarchy?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Reading your and the other two who make up the 3 blusterteers posts on this and any other thread where you’ve banded together as an all for one and one for all tribute has gotten a bit fucking weird over the last couple of weeks.

I’m hoping it’s all an elaborate in joke between you otherwise I think you’ve all become a tad unhinged in your quest to be the bestest living Englishman.

Fresh air should help mate.

They're now joined together as a giant blob and can't be detached.

 

[Phil1]

Not at all mate, having a different opinion to the English hating anti-monarchists isn't a joke really is it? 62% of the UK population support the monarchy and 23% are a don't know, my opinion isn't unusual it's mainstream.

I’m not sure that not being a huge fan of this version of the Royal family makes you hate England mate. I’m a take them or leave them personally. They have no impact on my life but I’m not a fan of looking up to anybody born into privilege and then abusing said privilege.
They’ll still be soldiering on for a few more years but I wouldn’t be too sure of any royal reading a time capsule in 100 years happening. :-)

 

[mexico1970]

I’m not sure that not being a huge fan of this version of the Royal family makes you hate England mate. I’m a take them or leave them personally. They have no impact on my life but I’m not a fan of looking up to anybody born into privilege and then abusing said privilege.
They’ll still be soldiering on for a few more years but I wouldn’t be too sure of any royal reading a time capsule in 100 years happening. :-)

People have hated every version of the monarchy over the centuries, in my opinion it's their right to do so.

However those people could at least bother to recognise that not everyone thinks the same way as they do, this thread for example is not just for republicans who want to rub each other off ;)

 

[Phil1]

People have hated every version of the monarchy over the centuries, in my opinion it's their right to do so.

However those people could at least bother to recognise that not everyone thinks the same way as they do, this thread for example is not just for republicans who want to rub each other off ;)

I suppose this version is slightly better than Henry VIII reign but I guess it’s all relative…