Rishi Sunak

[bluethrunthru]

if they don't believe it themselves will even be able to canvass effectively

Can Rishi Sunak halt growing Tory poll panic?

The PM got a win when his Rwanda bill cleared the Commons, but disquiet is still growing among his MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

Had the more complete footage been aired from the start, nobody would be talking about it. Now we’re in a situation where you’re pushing a manufactured grievance because you still can’t accept that the footage aired first was misleading.

Only in the same way that you claimed the original was clipped up when it clearly was not - SKY had their footage how do they air ITN's footage? In neither case does Sunak come out of it well - in any event your beloved Tories are heading into the abyss and I will accept thats not all on any love for Starmers Labour its about the way they have fucked everyone and the country over and the lies and deceit and outright thievery and I for one hope I never live to see them in power again

 

[mosssideblue]

Anyone objective watching this, particularly the longer version, wouldn’t have a problem with the exchange. He spoke to her, shook hands, end of story.

All that’s happened is that you and the usual motley crew on here have worked yourselves into a frenzy on the back of a bit of fake news.

You’ve all been manipulated, chiefly because you can’t wait to jump on a bandwagon and hate people that you have a different opinion to. You do it all day, everyday. And because you can’t accept that you’re wrong - and, by the way, that I’m right - you now have to deny the reality of the situation and manufacture a fake grievance about something that frankly didn’t happen.

Ah, bless

 

[Brewster's millions]

Good grief. Listen to the presumably local Tory woman at the end, "We're about to put a billion pounds into the NHS in Winchester" - which turns out to be "up to £900 million in the NHS across Hampshire", most to be spent in Basingstoke (which "may" get a new hospital). So patients and NHS staff in Winchester are worried about moving services 20 miles away. A petition to keep the A&E at Winchester already has around 15,000 signatures, with residents voicing concerns about the danger to life, the distance (30 minutes on blue lights) and how patients and visitors will be able to travel to Basingstoke (not least as Southampton is nearer).

And Sunak claimed the junior doctors' strikes added 150,000 to the waiting list. Where did the other 98% on the 7.75m waiting list come from? Some of that will be from operations cancelled because junior doctors have sacked off the poor pay and conditions in the NHS and gone off to work abroad.

Do carry on if you think you can win an argument with Labour about the NHS. I look forward to your updated list of "40 new hospitals"...

The number of people on the waiting list has roughly doubled since the pandemic and the median waiting time has increased by around 50% over the same period. Clearly the situation needs to be improved but you would have to be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that the pandemic hasn’t inflated the figures, and no matter how much you’ll refuse to accept it, industrial action in the NHS adds to the waiting lists.

One thing that has helped to tackle the backlog caused by the pandemic is the use of private hospitals for scans etc, where capacity is available. However, I note that this approach has often led to outrage on these very same pages, so presumably you’re against this particular policy and wouldn’t use the private sector at all as a means to reduce the backlog.

The irony of all of this is that Labour’s policy towards the NHS - once you look through all the arm waving - offers very little in terms of new funding and resources. Of course, the non-dom tax makes an appearance here, but given that this money has also been committed to numerous other policy initiatives, I wouldn’t count on this making a difference.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Only in the same way that you claimed the original was clipped up when it clearly was not - SKY had their footage how do they air ITN's footage? In neither case does Sunak come out of it well - in any event your beloved Tories are heading into the abyss and I will accept thats not all on any love for Starmers Labour its about the way they have fucked everyone and the country over and the lies and deceit and outright thievery and I for one hope I never live to see them in power again

Once again, don’t let hate consume you. It clouds your judgement.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Another softball interview with Tory K won't dig him out of this hole.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Another softball interview with Tory K won't dig him out of this hole.

What hole? It’s just a figment of our imaginations.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I found the interaction kind of a weird mix of sad but also funny.

This lady with very genuine concerns trying to get a straight answer out of a tiny man awkwardly shuffling away with his entourage (for whatever reason it doesn’t really matter to me).

But the way he interacts and tries to show sympathy to ordinary people is a bit like an alien wearing a skinsuit who has only ever read about human interactions in books. I know people joked about May-bot but this guy is like Rishi Zurg from Alpha Centauri.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I found the interaction kind of a weird mix of sad but also funny.

This lady with very genuine concerns trying to get a straight answer out of a tiny man awkwardly shuffling away with his entourage (for whatever reason it doesn’t really matter to me).

But the way he interacts and tries to show sympathy to ordinary people is a bit like an alien wearing a skinsuit who has only ever read about human interactions in books. I know people joked about May-bot but this guy is like Rishi Zurg from Alpha Centauri.

For such a small man he manages to look down on people quite a lot.
But some will tell us that you shouldn’t judge him on this misconstrued encounter, which is quite right.
We should judge him on his record in government over several years.
A much clearer picture.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

For such a small man he manages to look down on people quite a lot.
But some will tell us that you shouldn’t judge him on this misconstrued encounter, which is quite right.
We should judge him on his record in government over several years.
A much clearer picture.

Of course, I agree. I think my post history shows I was actually glad when he got the nomination for Tory leader after Truss as I thought he seemed like the adult in the room compared to the other crazy candidates.

I gave him every chance, I wanted him to do well for the country’s sake. Then he made Braverman his Home Secretary and completely lost me. I thought he’d ditch the culture wars nonsense… But no he hasn’t done that either… in fact he has done… well… nothing of any practical note.

 

[Vic]

The number of people on the waiting list has roughly doubled since the pandemic....

The number of people on the waiting list roughly doubled between when the Tories took over in 2010 and before the pandemic in 2020. And 2010 was after Labour had both widened the criteria of what counted as a waiting list, and had halved the waiting list in a couple of years.

The rest of what you wrote is thus just nonsense. Labour started using private providers for NHS operations in 2000.

Do you really want to carry on with this?

"The Labour government raised the stakes by announcing a new, more comprehensive target in 2005 that no more than 10% of patients should wait longer than 18 weeks from referral by a GP to treatment in hospital. This meant another change in waiting list data in 2007 to better capture what would now become a more overarching measure of the complete waiting list/time experience. Within two years – by 2009 – the total waiting list had nearly halved to 2.3 million, and the 18-week target continued to be met up until 2017. But from around 2012 the waiting list started to rise, nearly doubling to 4.34 million by February 2020."

Chart of the week: How has the waiting list changed over the years?

Each week we present analysis of data in chart form to illustrate some key issues and invite discussion. The waiting list in England recently topped six million people, which is the largest figure since the NHS was established in 1948. John Appleby looks back over the years to explore the...

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

 

[Brewster's millions]

The number of people on the waiting list roughly doubled between when the Tories took over in 2010 and before the pandemic in 2020. And 2010 was after Labour had both widened the criteria of what counted as a waiting list, and had halved the waiting list in a couple of years.

The rest of what you wrote is thus just nonsense. Labour started using private providers for NHS operations in 2000.

Do you really want to carry on with this?

"The Labour government raised the stakes by announcing a new, more comprehensive target in 2005 that no more than 10% of patients should wait longer than 18 weeks from referral by a GP to treatment in hospital. This meant another change in waiting list data in 2007 to better capture what would now become a more overarching measure of the complete waiting list/time experience. Within two years – by 2009 – the total waiting list had nearly halved to 2.3 million, and the 18-week target continued to be met up until 2017. But from around 2012 the waiting list started to rise, nearly doubling to 4.34 million by February 2020."

Chart of the week: How has the waiting list changed over the years?

Each week we present analysis of data in chart form to illustrate some key issues and invite discussion. The waiting list in England recently topped six million people, which is the largest figure since the NHS was established in 1948. John Appleby looks back over the years to explore the...

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

Everything that I said is correct, including the impact of the pandemic on waiting lists. The waiting list was just over 4mn pre-pandemic. It’s now roughly 8mn and expected to head higher over the next few months as referrals are still very high given the backlog from the pandemic.

I said that the waiting list had roughly doubled since the pandemic started. Explain how I’m wrong on that, or indeed what I said about Labour’s plans for the NHS. Wes Streeting has been very explicit about the inability to provide ever higher levels of funding, but then I suppose that’s why so many left-wing keyboard warriors hate the bloke.

 

[Vic]

Everything that I said is correct, including the impact of the pandemic on waiting lists. The waiting list was just over 4mn pre-pandemic. It’s now roughly 8mn and expected to head higher over the next few months as referrals are still very high given the backlog from the pandemic.

I said that the waiting list had roughly doubled since the pandemic started. Explain how I’m wrong on that, or indeed what I said about Labour’s plans for the NHS. Wes Streeting has been very explicit about the inability to provide ever higher levels of funding, but then I suppose that’s why so many left-wing keyboard warriors hate the bloke.

Why would I explain how you're wrong about the impact of the pandemic? I didn't say you were wrong.

I just pointed out that the Tories had doubled waiting lists before the pandemic.

So if they hadn't done that, and waiting lists had doubled because of the pandemic, numbers now would only be double the number left by Labour rather than the quadruple they are now.

For all you know (not a high bar) Labour would have managed the pandemic better, and would have rewarded medical staff with more than pot-banging so that fewer left the NHS or they didn't need to strike, so waiting lists wouldn't have doubled.

Or you could just recognise that the NHS is not safe in Tory hands.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If you watch what actually happened, you’ll realise that you’ve been scammed by a bit of fake news, and an entirely disingenuous piece of editing by Sky News.

Sunak didn’t walk away from the lady he was talking to, he walked alongside her and continued with the conversation.

Seems your hysterical reaction was misplaced.

I’m all for Torie bashing and can’t wait to see them annihilated at the polls.

But I agree with you here.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Why would I explain how you're wrong about the impact of the pandemic? I didn't say you were wrong.

I just pointed out that the Tories had doubled waiting lists before the pandemic.

So if they hadn't done that, and waiting lists had doubled because of the pandemic, numbers now would only be double the number left by Labour rather than the quadruple they are now.

For all you know (not a high bar) Labour would have managed the pandemic better, and would have rewarded medical staff with more than pot-banging so that fewer left the NHS or they didn't need to strike, so waiting lists wouldn't have doubled.

Or you could just recognise that the NHS is not safe in Tory hands.

It’s always easy to talk about counter-factuals regarding the pandemic. Personally I didn’t agree with the pot-banging as I thought it patronising, and I think that the NHS staff who worked directly on the front line, critical care and so on should have been rewarded for what they did during the period.

I do actually give Streeting some credit for his comments around the unsustainable nature of providing ever larger amounts of funding to the NHS, but unfortunately talking about reforms in general terms is one thing, and implementing them quite another. Any serious attempt at reform will be met with institutional inertia, if not outright resistance in some quarters, so I would question how much progress would be made on this front, even though it’s completely necessary.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I am afraid I cannot take seriously anything which comes out of the mouth of a man who wears trousers that make his legs look like spindles. That is not misandristic just realistic.
He is worth a fortune yet can’t get a good tailor who could make suits that fit or trousers that disguise his spindles.

The other reasons I can’t take him seriously is that I feel there is no real empathy in the man for the plight of the people of this country. All he seems to be interested in is getting asylum seekers/immigrants to Rwanda.

Plus I don’t believe a word that comes out of his lying mouth.
Finally, he is a Tory so really I should have opened with that and there would have been no need for the rest of my rant!

Apologies fellow Blues I will go back to my hibernation now. :-) :-)

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I am afraid I cannot take seriously anything which comes out of the mouth of a man who wears trousers that make his legs look like spindles. That is not misandristic just realistic.
He is worth a fortune yet can’t get a good tailor who could make suits that fit or trousers that disguise his spindles.

The other reasons I can’t take him seriously is that I feel there is no real empathy in the man for the plight of the people of this country. All he seems to be interested in is getting asylum seekers/immigrants to Rwanda.

Plus I don’t believe a word that comes out of his lying mouth.
Finally, he is a Tory so really I should have opened with that and there would have been no need for the rest of my rant!

Apologies fellow Blues I will go back to my hibernation now. :-) :-)

Let me get this straight, you don’t like him?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Why would a man worth £700M do a job that pays £150,000?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why would a man worth £700M do a job that pays £150,000?

Power.