PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

hammocity said:
Completely agree, a difference in circumstances but I used to Manage a Help Desk of around 25 people who allocated maintenance, installation and repair engineers work to 90 engineers on the road in the UK and Ireland (Epos till and Data systems for Bookmakers, Abbey National and Reuters share dealing systems).

We got wind that the Powers above were concerned about the staffing levels and associated costs, they arranged a visit to see for themselves. Worried about this, as sometimes it could go quiet on the phones , myself and my gaffer came up with a cunning plan, operation Baldrick. As soon as the Senior Management walked in the door we got members of the various Hep Desk Sections to ring each other, the phones were red hot and after a short time the Management fucked off, just shows how thick they were to fall for that.

This was a good few years ago and there were no phone logs at the time, couldn’t pull a stunt like that anymore but we certainly pushed the boundaries on that one, just a bit of creativity.
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This reminds me of scams we used to have for call outs in the 80s, all very localised but then years later your analysed from National & it stuck out like a sore thumb ;-)
 
If the clubs strategy was to not get involved publicly with UEFA over the Istanbul farce, but to work quietly with them behind the scenes in order to continue to build relationships, then it looks now to be another miscalculation after Ceferin’s comments. Maybe now City should make a statement over it in order to bring it more into the public domain.

My suspicion is they won’t, as really they don’t give a fuck.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
That’s the point exactly. In his position, given the extreme sensitivities, he should not have given the interview or at very least make it clear from the outset he wasn’t going to discuss City at all.

That, in his position, he should comment at all is extraordinary and can only be aimed at damaging us.
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Ceferin's words won't count for much by the time of our hearing. They will be forgotten. They are irrelevant. People on here will not be dragging up this interview in 10 months' time and it will form no part of the IC's decision-making. Look at it this way - he's made the remarks several months before our hearing, so we have time to confront him about them to ensure that he doesn't pipe up when it really matters. If Lord Pannick feels that a public response is necessary then he will advise us to issue a statement. If people are genuinely not happy with how we are being represented then they need to say so.
 
Beaker said:
If the clubs strategy was to not get involved publicly with UEFA over the Istanbul farce, but to work quietly with them behind the scenes in order to continue to build relationships, then it looks now to be another miscalculation after Ceferin’s comments. Maybe now City should make a statement over it in order to bring it more into the public domain.

My suspicion is they won’t, as really they don’t give a fuck.
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No, they won't because Lord Pannick etc al will advise us against doing so.
 
Semper aggressus said:
Would any other global brands put up with all this bullshit, lies and slander from journalists and rivals?

Maybe I’m wrong but I’m sure if companies like Coca Cola, Apple, Amazon, etc were enduring the kind of witch hunt City face they’d have sued all perpetrators for millions.

Why the fuck are we so fucking soft? It’s no wonder cunts like Carragher, Neville and dickhead journos perpetuate their lies and insinuations, they never have to face any challenge.

How about City pay the right kind of people to make up stories about some of our rivals‘ finances, or certain journos cheating on their wives …
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as i keep on saying, you really give too much credit to the daily fail, the torygraph, sky sports news, talkshite, spitty and neville, their reach is comparatively tiny and is in effect just an echo chamber shouting the same bullshit to the same idiots, we really have to get out of this mindset that what happens in this country resonates with the rest of the world, it just doesnt, china, europe, america etc does not give a fuck about gary neville or the daily mail, its us that are giving it any kind of creedence, their inane ramblings are nothing more than a tick on the back of an elephant when it comes to city.
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
UEFA and the PL could literally exclude us from the very competitions the fans turn up to see. The priority is absolutely keeping the club in the competitions it needs to survive rather than looking after fans first world problems.

Our owner has given us more than we ever dreamt possible. Now they need to protect the club and are going about it the best they can. They don't need a bunch of fans moaning and complaining whilst they are trying to keep our great club from being potentially destroyed.
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I think that's a completely unfair and feeble-minded post.

'Looking after fans first world problems'? There are disabled fans that were forced to walk in Istanbul and broke bones! Fans who wet themselves because they didn't have access to toilets. These are human rights, not first-world problems!!

Our owner has been brilliant yes. Our boardroom, which is separate to SM have also done some brilliant things. They have also dropped clangers (Super League) and treated fans badly at times (price rises/statements about our 'behaviour' etc).

To describe it as moaning and complaining is proper boot-licker talk! We are the true custodians of City and it's our right as fans to speak up for ourselves!! Anything less is a disservice to our fellow fans! Yes, the boardroom need to ensure we win this case - but they should absolutely protect the interest of us fans at all times.
 
What fucks me off more than anything is the wanker journos who write shite all through the week about us and then we give em five star treatment on a weekend at the Etihad. If they want to slander us and call us cheats then why the fuck do we entertain them?

City don’t have to say anything, although I’d like them to, just ban the cunts on a matchday. Boggles my mind.
 
Laughable that Rob Draper - who hates City - yet has done far more representing City fans with regards to the shit show that was Istanbul than anything the club has done.

Ceferin should be begging our forgiveness yet goes on the attack with the interview.

Maybe City can’t speak about the case due to legal advice - that doesn’t mean they are struck dumb on commenting on anything else.
 
mancboy said:
as i keep on saying, you really give too much credit to the daily fail, the torygraph, sky sports news, talkshite, spitty and neville, their reach is comparatively tiny and is in effect just an echo chamber shouting the same bullshit to the same idiots, we really have to get out of this mindset that what happens in this country resonates with the rest of the world, it just doesnt, china, europe, america etc does not give a fuck about gary neville or the daily mail, its us that are giving it any kind of creedence, their inane ramblings are nothing more than a tick on the back of an elephant when it comes to city.
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I’d guess that huge swathes of U.K. football fans have their opinions formed by Sky Sports/BT, the red tops and other tabloid papers and TS.
All of these outlets have gone after City for years now and there’s no doubt it’s had a knock on affect which had led to opposition fans becoming more emboldened in how they talk to blues.
I’m in Spain so manage to avoid it but imagine those based in the line of fire must be getting fucking disillusioned by it all.
It’s hard to ignore when it’s constant.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
Time for the fans to do something then.
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It shouldn’t be down to the fans, realistically what are we going to do? Give em the finger whilst they’re chowing down on a prawn and cucumber butty, it’s just more ammo for them to spout shite on twitter which then earns them a nice wedge. Ban them, hit them where it hurts.
 
Manchester33 said:
As an 1894 member (who did not write the post), I want to respond to this (especially concerning UEFA). I actually think you have raised some good points and would even say I agree in parts! However.....

I think you're unaware of the feelings amongst our fanbase currently. I don't need to go into the countless examples where UEFA have wronged City and, most importantly, our fans. But Istanbul strikes a real nerve.

In the days leading to the final, I received a call from an executive at City, who had been involved in a meeting with Ceferin earlier. He asked if we (1894) would 'tell' fans not to boo the anthem before the final. Ceferin had personally asked for it, and City, wanting to cosy up with UEFA, were supportive. Our response was that fans would do whatever they felt and that 1894 couldn't (and wouldn't) tell other fans what to do. We had already planned to try to make the atmosphere as positive as possible, and we pushed that (e.g., Nevizade Street the night before, which anyone who attended will tell you was a huge success). Fans still drowned out the Anthem as we expected.

If you were lucky enough to go to Istanbul, you don't need me to explain how much of a fuck up it was from a logistical point. I can't stress this enough... Some City fans were seriously injured due to the lack of planning and foresight on UEFA's part.

Going back to the build-up, I was involved in meetings with FansEurope AND UEFA execs as early as January 2021, where we discussed logistics and fan safety. It was a huge concern prior to that final being moved, just as it was a huge concern during the same meetings I was involved with in 2023.

UEFA knew how ridiculous it was to host a final at the Attaturk stadium but proceeded regardless. In these meetings, a FansEurope member (who is also a Liverpool fan) explained some of the issues they'd faced in 2005. UEFA promised these things wouldn't happen again. Most of these examples were not properly addressed.

Fans Europe had their conference in Manchester last summer, which we attended. We'd actually had a meeting organised with Ceferin to discuss what had happened in Istanbul. He cancelled at the last minute - more important things to do!

Alex and some of the other City Matters reps produced an astounding report about Istanbul. I'd urge anyone who hasn't already read it to do so. There are some horror stories. City and UEFA (who had read the report) refused to publicly apologise to fans. City is putting their ambivalent relationship with UEFA ahead of 'legacy fans'.

Given the lengths City has gone to with us fans to support UEFA, Ceferin's comments are a betrayal.

You say, 'What Ceferin said is hardly news', but in reality, it's huge news. It's made all the major papers and it's all over social media. It's either a huge misstep on his part (which he could publicly clear up and hasn't) or defamation. If anyone is trying to prejudice our case it's him! Maybe he is trying to help his friends out at Old Trafford and Anfield?

Why are City so spineless and placid with all this? You say it's a dignified silence, which isn't necessarily a bad approach, but the club constantly takes a different approach with us fans. There are numerous examples where the club calls fans out publicly, yet refuses to defend us publicly. It's a contradiction.

You say 'banning dissenters' is the wrong thing to do. However, we are not a despotic regime. We are a Football Club. It was something United felt they should do with the BBC under Ferguson. It's something Liverpool have done with The Sun. So why shouldn't we do it? Let's face it. Our image will ALWAYS be smeared because of these journalists and the fans of our bitter rivals so let's stop giving those journalists a free hit at us. Our reputation is being damaged, which could lead to a prejudiced trial -meaning it either gets thrown out and we are not afforded the opportunity to clear our club's great name, or worse, the trial goes ahead despite being prejudiced. How is that fair?

As for 'other fans wanting to see' City fans having a go at the club. Who cares? There are absolutely tons of negative things City does to us fans. We have a right to call it out. Sometimes we'll get it wrong and other times we'll get it right. Unfortunately, there isn't an organised Supporter's Trust who can do this. Just a bunch of us who are volunteering hours and hours of our free time to give City fans a voice.

I guess in conclusion, the anger internally in 1894 is that City are doing everything to support a person (Ceferin) behind the scenes, despite this person publicly slinging mud. It doesn't wash!
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I liked your post but just add this for a sideways look at the clubs passive position.

I had read in several places that we scored points with CAS in demonstrating evidence of the tidal wave of pre-judgement, prejudicial comments and biased vitriol pre-hearing - and much from influencers in positions of power like Creterin.

Maybe, just maybe the club are boiling but keeping quiet and creating the evidence file which starts with the message…‘we have already been judged and hung, this myopic, one sided hysteria without any substance must have a bearing on the conscious and subconscious of the committee members.’
 
SSL2 said:
a good thread. just reiterates what a c*nt that cerefin rat really is:

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i tend not to put too much faith in any newspaper interview as the usually ask the questions to get the answer they want to hear. Ceferin previously distanced himself form the UEFA City case

UEFA president Ceferin has commented on the case, distancing himself from the decision to sanction City as well as offering his opinion on those commenting on the issue.

Asked whether he still supports the sanctions against City, he told the Guardian: "Look, the decision was made and now the case is at the court of arbitration for sport and Cas will decide. That’s absolutely all I can say, for two reasons.

"Firstly, the independent bodies made the decision, I didn’t, and secondly, I really don’t know the case [well enough] and I don’t like people who comment about matters that they don’t know well. There are too many people commenting on different topics that they do not have a clue about."
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Prophet of Doom said:
Laughable that Rob Draper - who hates City - yet has done far more representing City fans with regards to the shit show that was Istanbul than anything the club has done.

Ceferin should be begging our forgiveness yet goes on the attack with the interview.

Maybe City can’t speak about the case due to legal advice - that doesn’t mean they are struck dumb on commenting on anything else.
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Or maybe Draper has his wooden spoon out and his stiring the pot trying to get some city fans to turn on the clubs hierarchy?? Seems a few on here have?
 
mancboy said:
as i keep on saying, you really give too much credit to the daily fail, the torygraph, sky sports news, talkshite, spitty and neville, their reach is comparatively tiny and is in effect just an echo chamber shouting the same bullshit to the same idiots, we really have to get out of this mindset that what happens in this country resonates with the rest of the world, it just doesnt, china, europe, america etc does not give a fuck about gary neville or the daily mail, its us that are giving it any kind of creedence, their inane ramblings are nothing more than a tick on the back of an elephant when it comes to city.
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To be fair, Ratboy has always been understanding of our plight & is one of the few who's called out FFP/PSR for the bullshit scams they are.

Spuds being praised as a model club is a case in point. They've not progressed beyond those ahead & the chasing pack behind, they've dragged everyone back to their level by supporting FFP/PSR.

The PL are in a race to the bottom of European football. It's evident the Red Top Mafia & Spuds couldn’t give a fuck, as long as when the PL hits the pits with a splat, they're still ahead of everyone else.

Utter madness! We need to launch a hostile takeover of the Premier League alongside the chasing pack who're finally waking up to the bit part they'll always play in the PL, with the way things currently stand.
 
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