Why are English managers so garbage?

[Kippaxpete]

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He was ok

Nah, Scottish.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

In two words; Howard Wilkinson.

"Four months after leaving Leeds, in January 1997, Wilkinson was hired by the sport's governing body in England, the Football Association, to act as its Technical Director, overseeing coaching and other training programmes at all levels of the game. Whilst at Leeds, Wilkinson had developed a ten-year plan to create an "English La Masia" at Thorp Arch.[7] In his role with the FA, Wilkinson applied this blueprint on a larger scale to the national game, developing the academy system and persuading the FA to begin the National Football Centre project. Wilkinson based the plans for the National Football Centre on the French system at Clairefontaine which nurtured the 1998 World Cup and 2000 European Championship winners. In 1997 Wilkinson published the Charter for Quality which was the basis for which all English academies were to train future stars"

Not only was the football his teams played extremely dour but he was the buffoon who sold Cantona to united for £1m.

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And tracing it back further, Charles Hughes

 

[Elbow beards]

Because of the weird querk of supporting the plucky underdog, mainly driven by the media. They'd rather have an Eddie the eagle than a world class athlete. As soon as someone looks like achieving anything, that's when the smear campaign starts.
A strive for mediocracy, will bring mediocre results.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Because most of them have won f*ck all and do not command the respect of elite footballers , could you see a bellend like Gerrard coming to our place and informing KDB he is doing something wrong.

 

[bluenova]

It's honestly weird... Howe is the only decent one currently who is getting results AND playing nice football.

The league (PL) is being taken over by Spaniards. Spaniards, Italians and Germans all produce excellent managers. English produce nothing.

A large part is because the Premier League is the best league with the most money.

The PL cherry picks the best managers from other countries, so there are few spots left for British managers to progress.

In Spain, Italy or Germany the 'local' managers get to manage the top division clubs. The better ones get to progress to the better clubs in the league, and show what they can do in Europe. Some of the best managers will already be in the Premier League, opening up more top local clubs for local managers.

It's essentially a double whammy/vicious cycle. Less opportunity, and that lack of opportunity leads to less managers with experience.

It might help if more went abroad, but of course, British players are less likely to have played abroad (because the money is better in the PL even for average players), so won't have the club links, or language skills.

 

[eastmanc]

We will soon. They are currently graduating from Pep University.

The whole of English football was kick and rush until 2015.

City played great football under Mancini.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

City played great football under Mancini.

We did. That team would lose to Pep’s football 8 or 9 times out of 10 though.

Pep’s tactics are better than anyone before him. He can be beaten with pace and power, as Klopp demonstrates, but he comes out on too far more often than not.

 

[pee dubya]

Because football culture didn't evolve with the times, then it was so flooded with money it didn't need to when you can just import it.

Why take the time to innovate and develop your own, when you can just buy.

 

[eastmanc]

We did. That team would lose to Pep’s football 8 or 9 times out of 10 though.

Pep’s tactics are better than anyone before him. He can be beaten with pace and power, as Klopp demonstrates, but he comes out on too far more often than not.

The 6-1 is still some of the best football I have seen a City side produce. Imagine Pep in charge of that set of players in their prime.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

We will soon. They are currently graduating from Pep University.

The whole of English football was kick and rush until 2015.

Bit of an exaggeration there.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Bit of an exaggeration there.

Yeah, maybe, but it was at the core of most managers’ ethos.

Wenger and Clough broke the mould, but they were few and far between.

Pitches being better also helps of course.

 

[Magicpole]

What you cunts on about? Stevie G won one trophy out of 12 up here. You’re so ungrateful. It’s makes sick.

 

[yerwot?]

as a player, Pierce gave no clue as to what he would be like as an anaestheti/manager, i never figured out how Clough won two Euro cups. Lilleshall was supposed to be the epicentre of how to be a successful manager(at a price !!) . Inspiring the players, backing them, knowing when to kick arse, not sure those skills can be learned. Shankly, Mercer Busby and a few others seemed to have them, but back then, football clubs were nothing like what they are now, off the pitch more so. One thing is apparent, a successful playing career does not gurantee a successful managerial career.

 

[Cellarite]

Liam Rosenior is becoming quite interesting at Hull City. He’s building a decent young team that plays good football and are pinching above their weight. Potter was doing well at Brighton and Howe had a really good start at Newcastle. The last English managers to win the major prizes though were Howard Wilkinson with the league at Leeds and Joe Royle with the cup at Everton. That’s truly shocking.

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

Gerr it forward!
Boot it out to clear the corner!
Lump that throw-in into the 6-yard box for a jammy header!
Smash a tackle into your man to get the home crowd riled up!

Enough said.

Triffic football

 

[bitterblue78]

Liam Rosenior is becoming quite interesting at Hull City. He’s building a decent young team that plays good football and are pinching above their weight. Potter was doing well at Brighton and Howe had a really good start at Newcastle. The last English managers to win the major prizes though were Howard Wilkinson with the league at Leeds and Joe Royle with the cup at Everton. That’s truly shocking.

Didnt redknapp win a cup with portsmouth

 

[Cellarite]

Didnt redknapp win a cup with portsmouth

Well shit my mouth. I forgot about that and was reading Joe Royle’s autobiography recently. Blame him.

 

[jimharri]

Moyes (British) is the best Hammers Manager in my life time.

If he had a fancy foreign name he’d be getting so much more praise and adulation.

The thread title is clear; English. There's been the odd half decent sweaty manager. That hasn't been questioned.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Nationality is irrelevant, there's been toss managers from across the globe.

What I will say is, giving retired players management roles on the ground they were a great player isn't helping (Gerrard, Granny Shagger, Lampard).

Is poch doing a better job than Potter even with an improved squad to last year?

Spot on...prime example was Rooney replacing Eustace. I didnt follow it properly, but i seem to remember people and birmingham fans questioning the decision. And hasnt the granny shagger made birmingham worse since he arrived

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Spot on...prime example was Rooney replacing Eustace. I didnt follow it properly, but i seem to remember people and birmingham fans questioning the decision. And hasnt the granny shagger made birmingham worse since he arrived

They got American investment who wanted a big name, Rooney actually did a very good job with DC United by all accounts and did ok in extremely difficult circumstances with Derby. Birmingham was a disaster from the start, the fans didn't want the previous incumbent sacked in the first place so turned on him very quickly.