Premier League Games 17th -21st Feb '24

Tricky_Trev said:
I think they dip far less than us when not having their best team. They seem to be able to play whatever academy player they want and they not only step in and do a job, but they will even play outrageously good. We are the least complete of the three of us and it’s difficult to see that not counting against us. I don’t think we are on their level this season and it’s surprising we’re this close.
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Our summer transfer window needs to improve. We can't afford to keep buying players that are no where near the level required.

If we lose the league this season, my first thought to where it went wrong will be the summer transfer window.
 
In their last 7 league games they have scored 4, 4, 4, 1, 3, 4, 4 and the 1 was at Arsenal. They are turning the screw.
 
jimharri said:
Technically speaking; no, we don't. If they lose against us, but win every other game, it won't matter as long as we do the same. The main drawback with the draw against Chelsea was that it removed the safety net of a draw at Anfield being good enough. Now, assuming they keep winking, we have to win at Anfield.
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I know technically you're right but my point was that realistically we'll need them to drop points outside of the game against us if we want to win the title.
 
super_city_si said:
Its a fallacy. If we sat back and hit long the game would be stretched just the same. We dont on purpose. We typically build slowly to prevent dangerous turn overs. Teams have time to retreat and get behind the ball.
if a team attack liverpool and turn it over, the ball is at their defence before they have time to retreat. we dont attack at pace like that.
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Well said, the reason we won the game last night was because for once we decided to counter quickly rather than slowly build from the back.
 
argyle said:
I'll keep saying. They look good because they have all the space to play in.

If teams set up against them with two rows of 5 in their own box, liverpool would struggle too. No where for the fullbacks and Diaz to run.
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Yea but that's the way they setp up

They play completely different to us

They attack with pace and directness and aren't afraid to pull something off even if it means they lose the ball

This allows the opposition to get more joy against them, giving the opponent space to try attack but in doing so it means they themselves are open

We try to slow it down, push them back and stay in control, the way we play invites them to play deep whereas Liveprool don't do that

It's not just the opposition are just inviting them to have an easy win, Liverpool are the ones dictating how the game is played
 
I am going to blow if this Luton team holds us to a draw or a slim win. We have to find ways to killing off matches in the first 45minutes.I wonder how many attempts we will have before we can sneak in 1 goal...,We can't be just watching these lot keep mulling teams when we seem to be on a verge of a draw. The huge scorelines gives them confidence and momentum, whilst our slim margin wins give the opposing teams hope of winning over us or at least taking a point.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
I think they dip far less than us when not having their best team. They seem to be able to play whatever academy player they want and they not only step in and do a job, but they will even play outrageously good. We are the least complete of the three of us and it’s difficult to see that not counting against us. I don’t think we are on their level this season and it’s surprising we’re this close.
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I agree but I think that's largely due to their style of play being a bit simpler than ours.
 
handsofstone said:
Yea but that's the way they setp up

They play completely different to us

They attack with pace and directness and aren't afraid to pull something off even if it means they lose the ball

This allows the opposition to get more joy against them, giving the opponent space to try attack but in doing so it means they themselves are open

We try to slow it down, push them back and stay in control, the way we play invites them to play deep whereas Liveprool don't do that

It's not just the opposition are just inviting them to have an easy win, Liverpool are the ones dictating how the game is played
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They still needed a couple of dodgy decisions to help get them the points. Brentford game being the latest. They aren't that impressive.
 
handsofstone said:
Yea because its the Etihad

At Anfield it's a completely different game
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It's got to be down to style of play. I used to drive myself insane at the way opposition set up against us and against them.

The managers can't sit there and tell the players it's a free hit and do what they want against a top Liverpool side.

They get the ball forward very quickly. As soon as an opposition attack is over. Within a minute they are in the final third. Whereas we would be breaking out of our own box in the same time.

Pep favours total control this season. Probably down to personnel more than anything.
 
For me Liverpool and Arsenal just have more about them this season than ourselves. Arsenal have strengthened an already strong team well and Liverpool have loads more firepower than us. There's goals all over. They both have the motivation to win it more. For Liverpool it is Klopps last season and Arsenal the disappointment of losing it last season. I think we're a bit drained from last season's magnificent efforts and weakened from losing Gundogan and Mahrez. Our new additions have been a bit underwhelming if we're totally honest. Gvardiol, Nunez and Kovacic haven't exactly set the world alight. Doku has his moments but is raw and inconsistent. If we add Phillips to that list our new additions aren't a patch on what we've lost.
Now I know we're still in the mix for three competitions and our new signings need time to settle in and that's why I feel we'll come up short this season, unless we suddenly click and hit top form. Obviously I really hope I'm totally wrong.
 
argyle said:
I'll keep saying. They look good because they have all the space to play in.

If teams set up against them with two rows of 5 in their own box, liverpool would struggle too. No where for the fullbacks and Diaz to run.
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We allow those two rows of 5 to get settled though. They don’t. If Liverpool played slowly, side to side & backwards, they’d have a deep block to contend with too.
 
RayCTID said:
Doesn't make at jot of difference. Teams have taken points off them at their own place. Including Chemical Jim's lot.
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It makes a whole lot of difference. We collectively shit our pants at Anfield even when they used to be shit. And rags have a much better record at Anfield than us. 3 wins in 70 years is what’s making people doubt if we can even draw at their place, let alone win.
 
Both Arsenal and Liverpool are getting the extra help needed to keep us in check. Ignore their recent splurge in goals they have recently scored. They are papering the cracks. Not suggesting we haven't helped our own cause as we do have a terminal habit of squandering chances.
 
super_city_si said:
Its a fallacy. If we sat back and hit long the game would be stretched just the same. We dont on purpose. We typically build slowly to prevent dangerous turn overs. Teams have time to retreat and get behind the ball.
if a team attack liverpool and turn it over, the ball is at their defence before they have time to retreat. we dont attack at pace like that.
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Its not a fallacy. Teams set up ultra defensive against us.

They dont do it to them. If they did liverpool would also struggle to score.
 
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