PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[dadnlad]

One things for sure after just listening to that podcast is Stefan knows his onions.

and if he doesnt know he say's so not just blag it

 

[halfcenturyup]

wasnt the settlement when Khaldoon said we'll take a pinch this time

Yep, after the event iirc. But he also apparently said he would pay 30 million on legal fees of the 50 best lawyers in the world to defend the case, presumably as a motivation for UEFA to settle.

 

[Scoobz3]

That particular email in his article was one of the post CAS leaks

Stefan is there anything of particualr significance in that email that would cause problems or was not already included in some of the ones which were actually seen by CAS ? Thanks Scoobz

 

[I'm Blue]

This may be worth a listen - me v Nick Harris on the excellent Unofficial Partner podcast...

Excellent!
One man with facts vs 2 with guesswork.
Them 2 just brought a butter knife to a gunfight : )

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Thank you Sir, a very enjoyable hour and I know a little more, Mr Harris appeared to be out of his depth on several occasions.

In fairness to Harris, I had no issue with his behaviour on this podcast. He was giving his opinion and making points and doing so in a largely non-inflammatory manner. If he could bring this attitude across into his social media posts, instead of the sensationalist nonsense he spews to garner clicks and likes from the red mafia, he actually might almost be worth listening to on this subject.

 

[Gordyola]

PSR, he said that they need to make 100 million profit this season and seems unachievable because sales must be made before the end of June and that isn't going to happen.

Profit is the key thing meaning to maximise they sell academy players to make the most profit. The ones they bought last season will only be one fraction off their amortisation value, eg Paid 100m / 5 years; book value of 80 and because they overpaid they are unlikely to get any value. Crucially other clubs know it so will push them into July so any revenue will be in net years accounts

 

[ganganvince]

That particular email in his article was one of the post CAS leaks

Does the source of that email not have any relevance?

 

[Gordyola]

Ok, cheers. Yeah, it's a huge ask. I suppose if they had something akin to a fire sale then it would be possible but I think they'd actually be better off keeping most of their squad intact and taking whatever hit comes their way

Seems that was the plan expecting a fine but, since the Neverton debacle thier arses will have gone

 

[mixer]

This may be worth a listen - me v Nick Harris on the excellent Unofficial Partner podcast...

Excellent discussion poor old Nick didn't know which way to turn in the end

 

[ricky77]

In fairness to Harris, I had no issue with his behaviour on this podcast. He was giving his opinion and making points and doing so in a largely non-inflammatory manner. If he could bring this attitude across into his social media posts, instead of the sensationalist nonsense he spews to garner clicks and likes from the red mafia, he actually might almost be worth listening to on this subject.

I thought the same. Although he is wrong most of the time he spoke , he came across alright. Makes his tweets and behavior on that platform even more strange

 

[OrigamiNinja]

£100 million a year from Etihad will get some piss boiling and probably why the Premier League are trying to change the rules on related parties. If you look at it Etihad are getting very good exposure from their association from the club, they are posting record profits so why can’t they throw some extra money City’s way in sponsorships.

It will but then much like has no doubt already happened with previous deals, it will then be used in benchmarking to get the red cartel a bigger deal from their sponsors.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the likes of United have been in the PLs ear moaning that there’s no way City were worth X amount to sponsor. While also being in the ear of their own sponsors saying “well City get this and therefore we should get more”. It must be great being able to play both sides.

 

[carlosthejackal]

In fairness to Harris, I had no issue with his behaviour on this podcast. He was giving his opinion and making points and doing so in a largely non-inflammatory manner. If he could bring this attitude across into his social media posts, instead of the sensationalist nonsense he spews to garner clicks and likes from the red mafia, he actually might almost be worth listening to on this subject.

Actually thought Harris was reasonable and polite , but startling that he didn’t understand the concept of a settlement.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Harris using @Prestwich_Blue as one of his sources there!

 

[OrigamiNinja]

I thought the same. Although he is wrong most of the time he spoke , he came across alright. Makes his tweets and behavior on that platform even more strange

I think it goes to show that in a forum with more knowledgeable people, he is at least savvy enough to know that there is no point going gung-ho because he will be instantly corrected and made to look foolish. On Twitter, he has no such worries because any correction will simply be lost in among the pat on the back posts from United, Liverpool and Arsenal fans.

 

[crystal_mais]

Great listen that. Thought Stefan came across very well and factual. Less can be said about Nick Harris who came across ok but didn't really have too much to point at City. He keeps referring to the email. If that was post CAS and shows Simon Pearce to be lying then that will be interesting. But these were stolen emails, that maybe with the correct software could have been doctored. Good luck getting the real emails as they would either have been deleted from the server.

The other thing Nick said was he knew someone in the sponsorship department at Etihad who said they only pay a minimal value and the rest is topped up. He mentioned PB also suggested the same.

It's interesting and as the pod went on, poor Nick just didn't have much he could come back with. It's a balanced case and its upto the PL to prove we have done wrong. Unless they have a smoking gun, it may be very difficult to prove.

 

[blue ranger]

The email he is referring to was a post CAS leak. It is the one that breaks down the deal into its part.

Thanks Stefan. That doesn’t seem like one to worry about then. You came across brilliantly. Well done.

 

[I'm Blue]

The one thing that always gets me when anyone is talking about ’fair market value’ and City is the Sheikh Mansour factor.
The man’s elite, his social circle is probably in the top 1% in the world.
He’s hardly Mike Ashley having name his own stadium.
Wealth breeds wealth.
If Prince William was to buy Villa sponsors would be queuing around the block.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

In fairness to Harris, I had no issue with his behaviour on this podcast. He was giving his opinion and making points and doing so in a largely non-inflammatory manner. If he could bring this attitude across into his social media posts, instead of the sensationalist nonsense he spews to garner clicks and likes from the red mafia, he actually might almost be worth listening to on this subject.

If only to illustrate how to interpret things wrongly.
His excitement and glee over the post-CAS discovered email which broke down the Etihad deal into its parts was very naive. He made huge assumptions based on that single mail without taking into account any other relevant mails which may modify or supersede it, also forgetting that he has had no visibility of the contract itself which could contain all sorts of provisions making the single email irrelevant. A lot of wishful thinking on his part.

 

[Gingers Dad]

I'll give it a listen anything that makes Harris look stupid is alright with me.

You won't be disappointed. Don't think he won a single point

 

[halfcenturyup]

Actually thought Harris was reasonable and polite , but startling that he didn’t understand the concept of a settlement.

He doesn't understand much of anything.