PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Thanks for that. He owes me nothing and he's been on my mute and ignore list for some time after some prior behaviour (unsurprisingly he thinks he did nothing wrong). I also feel sorry for him (right or wrong). That said I was surprised by his behaviour last night and this morning but even aside from City fans I haven't really seen any support for his actions so, naively speaking, perhaps he has shot himself in the foot. I'll keep an eye on the libel - I'll be honest, I can't really be bothered to start it but perhaps he will leave me no option. We will see.
I’m sure you know we appreciate all your efforts. You stick to the facts and, in the face of all the non factual claims in the general media, it makes a welcome change.

Very interesting podcast. It restored my faith in human nature that two people with some opposing views could talk rationally to each other. Unfortunately it didn’t last.
 
Harris is doing whatever he can to drum up subscribers for his website which has basically been stillborn.

He’s gone on a Podcast which allowed him a platform to plug his substack and bizarrely remained virtually mute for the entirety.

Last night and this morning was typical of him. Try and stir the pot with lies and libel in the vain hope or drumming up a few more subscribers.

He’s ended up being mocked, possibly sued, and committed the cardinal sin of any journalist and outed what he considered a historic source.
 
Not my job to tell anyone else what to do, but there is simply no point engaging with a **** like this in any way whatsoever. Absolutely none.

It’s like joining RAWK as a City fan and expecting any reasonable and rational level of debate on the subject of the 115 charges.
 
Hang on a minute blues @projectriver is a big boy. It’s not up to any of us to tell Stefan how he should handle things. He has made his point and the rest is nothing to do with us.

I‘m surprised that Nick, who came over surprisingly measured in the main during the podcast, should now turn into a keyboard warrior making some seemingly outlandish claims against Stefan in writing. It really is a shame and absolutely detracts from an interesting discussion.

I‘m annoyed for Stefan. He doesn’t deserve it.

This is true, but as I said after the headlining of the Talksport discussions: you sleep with dogs, you catch fleas. We all know what Talksport are about and we all know what Harris is about.
 
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I can understand why the club doesn't take legal action against this clown as he plays on the sympathy vote of his wife dying but I reckon that Stefan will at least demand a public retraction of his libellous comments and an undertaking never to repeat them.
 
Harris is doing whatever he can to drum up subscribers for his website which has basically been stillborn.

He’s gone on a Podcast which allowed him a platform to plug his substack and bizarrely remained virtually mute for the entirety.

Last night and this morning was typical of him. Try and stir the pot with lies and libel in the vain hope or drumming up a few more subscribers.

He’s ended up being mocked, possibly sued, and committed the cardinal sin of any journalist and outed what he considered a historic source.

I was going to post something similar. He's a journalist who has betrayed a confidential source - professional suicide of a journalistic career that was in its death throes anyway. His remaining supporters are probably all RAWK subscribers.
 
Not my job to tell anyone else what to do, but there is simply no point engaging with a **** like this in any way whatsoever. Absolutely none.

It’s like joining RAWK as a City fan and expecting any reasonable and rational level of debate on the subject of the 115 charges.

Correct. It's impossible to have a rational reasonable discussion about our club with 99% of fans of other clubs. Their mind is made up and their level of intelligence mediocre at best.

You would except better from so called journalists but sadly it's often not the case.

As for Harris I now believe what others have been saying, he has mental health problems. His hatred and obsession with everything City is not normal. Does anybody know what put him on this path?
 
Each to their own my friend but I personally have no interest in fairness to Harris he tries to drag us through the gutter every chance he gets. I suspect his behavior was curtailed somewhat by the caliber of opponent,
Without question Harris moderated his tone because he was talking to an actual expert and not his usual audience. He got away with nothing - and Stefan pulled him up sharply whenever he tried it on (CAS panel, City’s guilt etc). Each time he backed off. Towards the end he asked Stefan for proof that rival clubs were behind using FFP etc against City and that was dealt with superbly well !
 
Not my job to tell anyone else what to do, but there is simply no point engaging with a **** like this in any way whatsoever. Absolutely none.

It’s like joining RAWK as a City fan and expecting any reasonable and rational level of debate on the subject of the 115 charges.
100%. Harris has very little remaining credibility. He's not worth engaging with, not worth suing either, imo.

I doubt he will have much of a future as a FFP expert. Everyone could see who the real expert was when they went head to head.

Well done, and thank you Stefan for another interesting presentation of reality.
 
Correct. It's impossible to have a rational reasonable discussion about our club with 99% of fans of other clubs. Their mind is made up and their level of intelligence mediocre at best.

You would except better from so called journalists but sadly it's often not the case.

As for Harris I now believe what others have been saying, he has mental health problems. His hatred and obsession with everything City is not normal. Does anybody know what put him on this path?
Probably his wife passing away, I think she battled a brain tumour (from memory) for a long period which must be horrendous for all to live through.
 
Probably his wife passing away, I think she battled a brain tumour (from memory) for a long period which must be horrendous for all to live through.

Yes, I actually went online after I had differences with him to read an article about her illness and death. It was awful and he was left with two young daughters to care for too. I truly feel for anybody who went through or is going through that.

I could see how it would affect somebody psychologically, often with them being unaware just how much. I'm not sure what the correlation is with the City hatred and obsession though, because that is what it is. It has gone beyond normal investigative journalism.
 
Yes, I actually went online after I had differences with him to read an article about her illness and death. It was awful and he was left with two young daughters to care for too. I truly feel for anybody who went through or is going through that.

I could see how it would affect somebody psychologically, often with them being unaware just how much. I'm not sure what the correlation is with the City hatred and obsession though, because that is what it is. It has gone beyond normal investigative journalism.

I guess as he works self employed he hasnt the network that a company would offer or support.

This isnt really an excuse for writing/telling untruths and slandering someone
 
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I'm about halfway through this podcast.

Harris talks about potentially whistleblowers coming forward, when saying the PL must have something big up their sleeve if they brought the 115 charges, knowing how it went with CAS.

The other thing is about the Simon Pearce email, which wasn't revealed until after CAS.

What do we think of these two points?
 
100%. Harris has very little remaining credibility. He's not worth engaging with, not worth suing either, imo.

I doubt he will have much of a future as a FFP expert. Everyone could see who the real expert was when they went head to head.

Well done, and thank you Stefan for another interesting presentation of reality.
Agreed mate, he’s in a very dangerous and delicate place mentally, I suspect it’s a big reason why the club don’t engage with him, nobody wants to be the one that finally pushes him over the edge, nothing good will come out of challenging him in a legal sense.
 
I thought the podcast was fascinating for a number of reasons. Firstly you had Nick Harris spouting the current assumed narrative that pervades so much of the coverage and @projectriver politely and patiently responding with the facts in a very measured manner.

There is an enormous amount of misunderstanding and misinformation that have become the accepted version of events. The nomination of a second panel member (from CAS panel) by City which was accepted by UEFA is not untoward, unusual or proof of some surrender by UEFA but it is somehow presented as such.

The settlement in 2014 with UEFA is now presented as acknowledgment of guilt which wasn’t appealed rather than the “pinch” as Khaldoon referred to at the time. It would have been reached with no acknowledgment of guilt and seen by both sets of lawyers as the best resolution. UEFA would not have wanted a legal challenge and we would simply wanted an end to it in circumstances which we (wrongly) believed would be the end of it.

It is also clear than so many people (Harris included) haven’t read the CAS judgement or simply don’t understand it.

What @projectriver does, and does very well, is set out the position, as far anyone can know outside of City and the Premier League, and he hasn’t shied away from pointing out the seriousness of adverse findings for City.

Harris’s response since the podcast has been disappointing but illuminating. If he was interested in discussing and debating the matter he would not been engaging in as hominem attacks, innuendo or potentially libellous comments. It’s clearly far better for him to be raging against City then dealing with the facts of case again City, which rather undermines his bona fides.
 
I'm about halfway through this podcast.

Harris talks about potentially whistleblowers coming forward, when saying the PL must have something big up their sleeve if they brought the 115 charges, knowing how it went with CAS.

The other thing is about the Simon Pearce email, which wasn't revealed until after CAS.

What do we think of these two points?
If there was a whistle blower, we will have acted with the knowledge that they had one and plead guilty had they had any evidence. We haven’t done, which leads me to believe there isn’t one.

The email apparently was unearthed after CAS, but unless the PL can prove that our owner has directly paid Etihad’s sponsorship bill to us, then it proves nothing and Etihad don’t need to show their books to the committee. Again, if they had the evidence, we wouldn’t have plead not guilty. This again makes me believe that isn’t enough evidence to convict.

I could be wrong, but that’s my take.
 

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