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TinFoilHat said:
Trumps Lawyers now going to ask for an indefinite stay on the Mar a lago case after the SC decision.

Trump judge will probably grant it
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She might do but I think that would get reversed... the immunity case only relates to actions taken while the President was in office. The documents case is quite explicitly about actions Trump has taken since leaving office as a private citizen.

One more reversal (she's had two already) and she's at risk of getting yanked out of the chair.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
She might do but I think that would get reversed... the immunity case only relates to actions taken while the President was in office. The documents case is quite explicitly about actions Trump has taken since leaving office as a private citizen.

One more reversal (she's had two already) and she's at risk of getting yanked out of the chair.
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That's why she had to rule the way she did in the latest filing. It would have been overturned and she'd have been off the case. i'm starting to think that's the plan all along. If she clings on for as long as possible, then forces the AG's hand in having to replace her it will be a lengthy delay in the new judge getting up to speed, which ultimately delays the case until well after the election.
 
www.cbsnews.com

Trump immunity claim taken up by Supreme Court, keeping D.C. 2020 election trial paused

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, will hear arguments in the case during the week of April 22.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Stall tactic by the conservative justices? Or is the court going to quickly rule on this matter so that the federal indictments against Trump can proceed well in advance of the election; or might they find that Trump is in fact immune? Stay tuned.

Edit: The Supreme Court will not hear oral arguments for this case until the week of April 22nd. So at best, the Court appears to be engaging in stall tactics.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
www.cbsnews.com

Trump immunity claim taken up by Supreme Court, keeping D.C. 2020 election trial paused

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, will hear arguments in the case during the week of April 22.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Stall tactic by the conservative justices? Or is the court going to quickly rule on this matter so that the federal indictments against Trump can proceed well in advance of the election, or possibly to rule that Trump is in fact immune? Stay tuned.
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If they judge Trump to be broadly immune then Biden should just have them all immediately arrested. What they gonna do?

Honestly if they vote in favour of immunity, at that point you might as well just scrap the whole country and start again.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
If they judge Trump to be broadly immune then Biden should just have them all immediately arrested. What they gonna do?

Honestly if they vote in favour of immunity, at that point you might as well just scrap the whole country and start again.
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All legal commentators I've watched reckoned this would be kicked back to the original decision. Stinks of political interference
 
jim tolmies perm said:
All legal commentators I've watched reckoned this would be kicked back to the original decision. Stinks of political interference
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It will be, but unlike Nixon vs US — which was fast-tracked — this one is coming in and out on a normal timeframe. They also granted cert when they could have just remanded. I think the court is trying maintain an appearance of neutrality by treating this as “normal” but it’s hard not to see it as a thin disguise. Were Trump actually President at the moment I bet they’d fast-track it though.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
If they judge Trump to be broadly immune then Biden should just have them all immediately arrested. What they gonna do?

Honestly if they vote in favour of immunity, at that point you might as well just scrap the whole country and start again.
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I'm not sure the President asking for the arrest of the judges of the Supreme Court is really the path to a more rational future here.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It will be, but unlike Nixon vs US — which was fast-tracked — this one is coming in and out on a normal timeframe. They also granted cert when they could have just remanded. I think the court is trying maintain an appearance of neutrality by treating this as “normal” but it’s hard not to see it as a thin disguise. Were Trump actually President at the moment I bet they’d fast-track it though.
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Can DOJ put enough pressure to have this decision expedited with a little more alacrity, bearing in mind the primary season and proximity of the GE?
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
www.cbsnews.com

Trump immunity claim taken up by Supreme Court, keeping D.C. 2020 election trial paused

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, will hear arguments in the case during the week of April 22.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Stall tactic by the conservative justices? Or is the court going to quickly rule on this matter so that the federal indictments against Trump can proceed well in advance of the election; or might they find that Trump is in fact immune? Stay tuned.

Edit: The Supreme Court has will not hear oral arguments for this case until the week of April 22nd. So at best, the Court appears to be engaging in stall tactics.
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It clearly fucking is...an issue of the utmost importance and cunts like Thomas just sit on their loathsome fat arses and listen to their wives for 2 months spouting even more conspiracy BS. Disgraceful
The US needs to wake up and smell the coffee this fall whether it be pro Biden or anti Trump and deliver an overwhelming message about the direction of not only their country but of the free, civilised world.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It will be, but unlike Nixon vs US — which was fast-tracked — this one is coming in and out on a normal timeframe. They also granted cert when they could have just remanded. I think the court is trying maintain an appearance of neutrality by treating this as “normal” but it’s hard not to see it as a thin disguise. Were Trump actually President at the moment I bet they’d fast-track it though.
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Aye, they didn’t fuck around with the Colorado ballot issue did they? That was done pronto.
 
super_city_si said:
Aye, they didn’t fuck around with the Colorado ballot issue did they? That was done pronto.
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What is the most disgraceful is that Smith asked them to adjudicate expeditiously in December and they said NO!! So why do they want to take this now delaying everything 4 months?
I don't live in the US but to me this SC , and specifically the Shitgibbon appointees are nothing short of crooks.
Talk of dictatorship is not premature, it's happening NOW!!
Trump is clearly judge and jury and he knows it!
 
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jim tolmies perm said:
Can DOJ put enough pressure to have this decision expedited with a little more alacrity, bearing in mind the primary season and proximity of the GE?
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They should, but they won't. Garland has gone so far out of his way to appear neutral he's playing into Trump's hands at every turn. What they should do is just get stuck in and let him scream 'political interference' as loud as he likes. Hopefully he'll have an aneurysm.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
She might do but I think that would get reversed... the immunity case only relates to actions taken while the President was in office. The documents case is quite explicitly about actions Trump has taken since leaving office as a private citizen.

One more reversal (she's had two already) and she's at risk of getting yanked out of the chair.
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I think someone (possibly a senior judge) has had a quiet word with her. Decisions, the sole purpose of which is delay, may now be a thing of the past, but delay has achieved its purpose now.
 
jim tolmies perm said:
What is the most disgraceful is that Smith asked them to adjudicate expeditiously in December and they said NO!! So why do they want to take this now delaying everything 4 months?
I don't live in the US but to me this SC , and specifically the Shitgibbon appointees are nothing short of crooks.
Talk of dictatorship is not premature, it's happening NOW!!
Trump is clearly judge and jury and he knows it!
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It's blatant delay by SCOTUS. As you say they were asked to take this in December. They left it to the dc Court who ripped it to shreds in a way that made it almost impossible to take a different view. And now hear we are slow walking another review of the issue.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not sure the President asking for the arrest of the judges of the Supreme Court is really the path to a more rational future here.
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I should clarify that I was being more than a little facetious.

But the fact that he could theoretically retaliate in such a way (even though he obviously won’t) should be an indicator of how easy this decision should be for SCOTUS.
 
It's transparently obvious that the Supreme Court wants to help Trump by delaying all federal cases against him until after the 2024 election. They'll hear oral arguments on immunity in late April and then will wait as long as necessary before ruling.

Trump's arguments for immunity are specious - so the eventual ruling is almost certainly going to be that Trump is not free from prosecution for crimes he may have committed, even while President. But that finding - namely that a US President isn't carte blanche free to commit any crimes whatsoever - will be delayed and delayed until such time as the cases against him cannot possibly conclude prior to the election.

If Trump wins election, he'll direct the Justice Department to drop all cases against him. If somehow this fails, he'll simply pardon himself.

TL/DR - The recent SPOTUS decision RE Presidential immunity is a huge win for Trump - but given the makeup and corruption of the court - this should come as no surprise.
 
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