The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO

Interesting argument regarding Toys v Rocks; I do prefer the songs on the former, but it's a moot point, given that we are reviewing Rocks.

Rocks is a properly raw hard rock album and sums up why I love American rock and bands like Aerosmith and Van Halen in particular. 8.5/10.
I’m probably in the minority but I don’t think it is moot. When you see a direction/sound a band can go and they do something different the counterpoint is context for your enjoyment. But admittedly I am prone to this. Witness my perspective on Depeche Mode’s “Songs of Faith and Devotion” (which I dislike) vs. “Violator” and their preceding work (which I like). Great early work makes less good later work (or vice versa) more shit. Now Rocks is decidedly not shit. It’s just not as good as Toys IMO. But my score would be no different whether Rocks was their debut or otherwise. It’s just a little more disappointing because I was looking forward to what I know they can do — which is sound fabulous — as opposed to what they did, which was sound good, but not as good as I expected or as I know they’re capable of.
 
So I was on night shifts last week which were quiet so had a fair bit of time to listen to this weeks offering. With the weekend I think I have actually listened to this more than any other previous album.

I think I did this to try and like it more than i actually did as I thought I must be missing something that so many of you see in this. Perhaps like my inability to enjoy PJ/Ten.

Like so many I did think "Back In The Saddle" a good start although I wasn't that fussed on Mr Tylers "screaming" ...which then had me questioning myself as to why I wasn't that keen on that but was more than happy to accept Black Francis doing much the same? Still, it was a a good rocking start.

Then came "Last Child" which I actually liked more than the first track with its groove and tongue in cheek lyrics. I know some have said its not the best on the album, but for me I think it was my fave.

"Rats In The Cellar", was a good enough rocker along with the follow up Combination with its fuzzy guitar sound. "Sick As A Dog" was another middle of the road rocker for me before what I thought was a Led Zep(pish) "Nobodys Fault".

I have to admit that with each listen I got to this point and just found that the album started to tail off for me. Well played rock songs, well produced but nothing that I thought stood out and made me want to come back to them over and over again.

Again I pondered about how to score this in relation to previous offerings and thought back to Jerry Lee at the Star Club and thought about the energy excitement and power that had. Something which I didnt get with this.

Good album and once again enjoyable to "try" and expand my musical experience but only a 5 from the Derry jury.
 
Totally — I mean completely — off topic, my 17 year-old daughter just came into my room humming “You Make My Dreams Come True” by Hall & Oates and I asked her where she heard it. She said, “All my friends know that song, Dad”, so I asked her if she knew “Rich Girl” and she said “Of course.” “Maneater?” “Duh! We sing that at track practice.” That got me going back and now I’m listening to their back catalog.

So two things — 1) everything old is new again, and 2) there’s so much to rediscover in our lives — stuff you thought that was shit that’s actually good and vice versa, and stuff that brings back memories of more carefree days (albeit I don’t really like “Dreams” compared to some of their other songs).

FYI her favo(u)rite band — as some of you know — is New Order. Sigh — heart heart heart!
 
Totally — I mean completely — off topic, my 17 year-old daughter just came into my room humming “You Make My Dreams Come True” by Hall & Oates and I asked her where she heard it. She said, “All my friends know that song, Dad”, so I asked her if she knew “Rich Girl” and she said “Of course.” “Maneater?” “Duh! We sing that at track practice.” That got me going back and now I’m listening to their back catalog.

So two things — 1) everything old is new again, and 2) there’s so much to rediscover in our lives — stuff you thought that was shit that’s actually good and vice versa, and stuff that brings back memories of more carefree days (albeit I don’t really like “Dreams” compared to some of their other songs).

FYI her favo(u)rite band — as some of you know — is New Order. Sigh — heart heart heart!
Like wise my two boys well into their thirties now despite me insisting they were not going to be fed if they didn't listen to a good diet of PC & L back in the days.

In stead of being weaned onto cigarettes and alcohol etc they were onto New Order and they still thank me today.

Never a huge fan of Hall and Oates not quite in sync with my tastes but I do respect them as one should and 30 odd top 40 singles doesn't tell too many lies.

Seen a bit of Live form Daryl's House over the years and would recommend anyone tune in for a listen particularly regarding the stories behind the songs discussed which is more than intriguing.
 
So two things — 1) everything old is new again, and 2) there’s so much to rediscover in our lives — stuff you thought that was shit that’s actually good and vice versa, and stuff that brings back memories of more carefree days (albeit I don’t really like “Dreams” compared to some of their other songs).
There's that great big magical, musical time machine in action again.

I do hear songs from the 80s that I scoffed at back then, and when I compare it to some of the stuff I hear now, I get a warm, fuzzy nostalgic feeling.
 
Rocks - Aerosmith

For the second week in succession, it’s a rock album – but in this case, it’s not a band past their best years, looking for a change in direction, it’s Aerosmith in the 70s in their full-on rock glory.

To my ears, there’s not a lot of variation from one song to another. There’s a lot of guitar work to admire from twin guitarists Joe Perry and Brad Whitford, Steven Tyler screams his way through a lot of songs – it doesn’t bother me, but on a song like “Rats in the Cellar”, he sounds more like David Lee Roth and better for it. There are some excellent codas on show: loads of guitar and other instruments such as harmonica doing interesting stuff on “Back in the Saddle” and “Rats in the Cellar”.

I have to confess that on the challenge @OB1 set for me to hear the banjo, I failed miserably. Twice I listened to the album without hearing it, then I checked the credits and found that it was on “Last Child” – I listened to the song twice more, once on headphones and still didn’t hear it.

Whilst there’s not much variety from track-to-track, this means that there’s a consistency to the sound, and as a few people have already mentioned, the production is top-notch. This could easily pass for an album recorded in the 80s or 90s. A lot of the fun in listening to this album is the way the rhythm guitar lays down such great, choppy, chunky riffs and the lead guitar buzzes all over it like an elusive fly. Tyler’s “screaming” didn’t bother me – its rock music and you expect a bit of histrionics from the vocalist.

As several people have mentioned it, I thought I’d give the previous album, Toys in the Attic, a listen. It seems that the change in sound between these two albums was significant, and depending on your tastes, you could see it as a great leap forward, or the end of an era (or maybe both). Toys in the Attic has a more varied sound, almost as if the band are putting on a showcase for various styles from hard rock to cabaret-style show tunes, whereas Rocks pares down the sound to the razor-sharp guitars and Tyler goes wild behind the mic. On listening, I hadn’t noticed the bass and drums higher in the mix that Foggy mentioned, bit I did make a note at the time that Toys had a fuller sound – maybe that’s the same thing without realising it? For the record, I enjoyed both albums equally.

I haven’t listened to enough Aerosmith to know how long this more focussed and pared-down approach lasted after Rocks, but I note that on my favourite song of theirs released in 1987, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”, they were throwing in a horn section.

For me, Rocks is an enjoyable album to listen to with plenty of guitar to admire, but after it’s finished (for the third time) there isn’t a memorable song or two that I’d be hankering to play again. But I do like it better than last week’s offering from The Rolling Stones – any experimentation and left-turns are thrown out the window in favour of a consistent and cohesive sound that possibly set the template, in terms of tone and production, for a lot of bands like Van Halen that were to spring up in the next few years. 7/10.
 
Like wise my two boys well into their thirties now despite me insisting they were not going to be fed if they didn't listen to a good diet of PC & L back in the days.

In stead of being weaned onto cigarettes and alcohol etc they were onto New Order and they still thank me today.

Never a huge fan of Hall and Oates not quite in sync with my tastes but I do respect them as one should and 30 odd top 40 singles doesn't tell too many lies.

Seen a bit of Live form Daryl's House over the years and would recommend anyone tune in for a listen particularly regarding the stories behind the songs discussed which is more than intriguing.
First gig I ever saw at the Apollo was Hall & Oates and it wasn't even called the Apollo then: it was the ABC Ardwick.

They were really good and almost proggy.

Not seen then since but I do have a lot og H&O albums on cd.
 
Totally — I mean completely — off topic, my 17 year-old daughter just came into my room humming “You Make My Dreams Come True” by Hall & Oates and I asked her where she heard it. She said, “All my friends know that song, Dad”, so I asked her if she knew “Rich Girl” and she said “Of course.” “Maneater?” “Duh! We sing that at track practice.” That got me going back and now I’m listening to their back catalog.

So two things — 1) everything old is new again, and 2) there’s so much to rediscover in our lives — stuff you thought that was shit that’s actually good and vice versa, and stuff that brings back memories of more carefree days (albeit I don’t really like “Dreams” compared to some of their other songs).

FYI her favo(u)rite band — as some of you know — is New Order. Sigh — heart heart heart!

It's fascinating to watch your children's music tastes evolve and really nice when at least some of it overlaps with your own, hopefully by osmosis rather than enforced listening!

I've watched my eldest's favourite song go from being "Hello, hello, who's your lady friend" (don't ask me why but he would literally chuckle himself to sleep when I sang it to him in his cot) through to 'Rat in mi kitchen' as a 4 or 5 year old to 'Cake by the Ocean' (worrying period that) to 'Voodoo Chile' to the point where he now oscillates between various songs off Low Life and Brotherhood. My youngest started on the Makka Pakka song from In the Night Garden and now it's probably a toss up between Transmission and That's Entertainment.

I can actually cope with the fact that one of them has no interest in City whatsoever but if either had said they weren't fussed about music beyond a bit of tiktok I'm not sure how I'd have coped!!
 
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Rocks - Aerosmith

For the second week in succession, it’s a rock album – but in this case, it’s not a band past their best years, looking for a change in direction, it’s Aerosmith in the 70s in their full-on rock glory.

To my ears, there’s not a lot of variation from one song to another. There’s a lot of guitar work to admire from twin guitarists Joe Perry and Brad Whitford, Steven Tyler screams his way through a lot of songs – it doesn’t bother me, but on a song like “Rats in the Cellar”, he sounds more like David Lee Roth and better for it. There are some excellent codas on show: loads of guitar and other instruments such as harmonica doing interesting stuff on “Back in the Saddle” and “Rats in the Cellar”.

I have to confess that on the challenge @OB1 set for me to hear the banjo, I failed miserably. Twice I listened to the album without hearing it, then I checked the credits and found that it was on “Last Child” – I listened to the song twice more, once on headphones and still didn’t hear it.

Whilst there’s not much variety from track-to-track, this means that there’s a consistency to the sound, and as a few people have already mentioned, the production is top-notch. This could easily pass for an album recorded in the 80s or 90s. A lot of the fun in listening to this album is the way the rhythm guitar lays down such great, choppy, chunky riffs and the lead guitar buzzes all over it like an elusive fly. Tyler’s “screaming” didn’t bother me – its rock music and you expect a bit of histrionics from the vocalist.

As several people have mentioned it, I thought I’d give the previous album, Toys in the Attic, a listen. It seems that the change in sound between these two albums was significant, and depending on your tastes, you could see it as a great leap forward, or the end of an era (or maybe both). Toys in the Attic has a more varied sound, almost as if the band are putting on a showcase for various styles from hard rock to cabaret-style show tunes, whereas Rocks pares down the sound to the razor-sharp guitars and Tyler goes wild behind the mic. On listening, I hadn’t noticed the bass and drums higher in the mix that Foggy mentioned, bit I did make a note at the time that Toys had a fuller sound – maybe that’s the same thing without realising it? For the record, I enjoyed both albums equally.

I haven’t listened to enough Aerosmith to know how long this more focussed and pared-down approach lasted after Rocks, but I note that on my favourite song of theirs released in 1987, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”, they were throwing in a horn section.

For me, Rocks is an enjoyable album to listen to with plenty of guitar to admire, but after it’s finished (for the third time) there isn’t a memorable song or two that I’d be hankering to play again. But I do like it better than last week’s offering from The Rolling Stones – any experimentation and left-turns are thrown out the window in favour of a consistent and cohesive sound that possibly set the template, in terms of tone and production, for a lot of bands like Van Halen that were to spring up in the next few years. 7/10.

Thoughtful review as ever.

On the memorable song front, Rocks is more about the overall feel and consistency. The songs run into one another and it's almost like one long song on each side. However, when you have played it as many times as I have, the individual songs do seem memorable.
 
Thoughtful review as ever.

On the memorable song front, Rocks is more about the overall feel and consistency. The songs run into one another and it's almost like one long song on each side. However, when you have played it as many times as I have, the individual songs do seem memorable.
Yes I agree. I do like it when an album has a consistent tone and feel and sounds like it was recorded by the same set of musicians as opposed to simply being a collection of songs thrown together to make up the numbers. You may lose a bit of variety with this approach, but more often than not, it makes an album more than the sum of its parts such that it doesn't rely on a couple of hit singles.
 
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Not bad at all.
Good enough start with Back in the saddle and last Child.
Rats in the cellar and Combination just a noise.Nothing in these two to get excited about.
Sick as a dog good trackNobody's fault vocal annoys me but the rest of the group great.
Finished by 3 bang average tracks.
Get the lead out,Lick and a promise and Home tonight,though i might be being genorous to Home tonight.
Might have liked this a lot more in 75 as i struggle withe some of the rock music from the 70's now.
Again a different vocalist and i might have gave it a higher score.5/10
 
It's fascinating to watch your children's music tastes evolve and really nice when at least some of it overlaps with your own, hopefully by osmosis rather than enforced listening!

I've watched my eldest's favourite song go from being "Hello, hello, who's your lady friend" (don't ask me why but he would literally chuckle himself to sleep when I sang it to him in his cot) through to 'Rat in mi kitchen' as a 4 or 5 year old to 'Cake by the Ocean' (worrying period that) to 'Voodoo Chile' to the point where he now oscillates between various songs off Low Life and Brotherhood. My youngest started on the Makka Pakka song from In the Night Garden and now it's probably a toss up between Transmission and That's Entertainment.

I can actually cope with the fact that one of them has no interest in City whatsoever but if either had said they weren't fussed about music beyond a bit of tiktok I'm not sure how I'd have coped!!
My daughters are (just) 23 now and I never pushed them over football (my wife hates football) but they caught the bug when they watched a certain QPR game that Daddy had gone to. One of them goes to pretty much every game I go to and the other is an avid armchair supporter, both of City, naturally.

On the music front, they have had long exposure to my music as I have always insisted that I drive my car to my music (most of the time). My wife and I do share similar tastes in music; although hers have mellowed more than mine with age.

The girls like some of the music of their generation but also like plenty of what we listen to. I had to take them to see all sorts of bands / acys I would not have bothered with: One Direction, McFly, 5SOS etc but also made sure they saw some rock legends while they still could - ranging from AC/DC to Paul McCartney. Two of us try to make a point of seeing the Foo Fighters when they play in the UK.

Did a reasonalbe job with them but if only they weren't Max Verstappen fans.
 
Aerosmith - Rocks

Have to admit when this was nominated my heart sunk a bit as though I’d heard a handful of their songs that I liked, it’s not really my territory and for everyone I’d thought OK there seemed to be another that I really didn’t care for at all.

So it’s nice to be pleasantly surprised and I’d go as far as to say this is the most surprised I’ve been by a nomination.

Even Tyler’s screaming stopped winding me up in the end as it occurred to me you’d can’t expect Perry and Whitford to be balls-out and Tyler not to be; even if his version does sound at times like they are trapped in his zipper :-)

I concur with most of what OB1 and Rob have written. I’ve already said the main reason I like this is the overall sonic effect and that continues to be the case. It’s been a while since just the general sound coming out of the speakers has impressed like this did.

I had a big old read over the weekend about the details of the recording of this album and they are very interesting. Won’t go down that rabbit hole but I will say that there’s a bit of self-deprecation in Jack Douglas’s blithe statement that basically it’s simply down to the distortion. Any clown with access to a Big Muff and a Tube Screamer can make a racket (something I have proven to myself on multiple occasions) but it won’t sound anything like the racket on this album!! The tones are just so enjoyable, and they have lots of slightly contradictory elements to them to the extent that in the end I gave up trying to come up with the right adjective to describe the sound. As a recording I think this is quite special.

In terms of songs, I think OB1 nailed it on the head in talking about it as a whole rather than the parts, Back In The Saddle is a big big song on it’s own but I found myself listening to this album as a 30 odd minute single piece rather than a series of songs. In that sense it reminded me a bit of listening to the different movements in a classical piece.

In light of Fog’s comments about Toys I did have another good listen to that too, and though I get where he’s coming from, as a whole I remain much keener on Rocks as a listening experience.

I had a very brief mooch around their later catalogue and it really isn’t my cup of tea, but I will happily return to this album, and I can see how it’s seen as a bit of a touchstone for later artists.

8.5/10 for me and if they hadn’t half invented the power ballad in the last track (which in itself wasn’t that bad but has spawned myriad egregious offspring) then I might have gone a bit higher still!
 
Quick late review from me.

I'm not really a fan of this type of music and don't really like Aerosmith as a rule. Walk this Way is probably the only song of theirs that I've liked. I've never thought of listening to an album.

All that said, I thought this was good - some great riffs and blasting vocals. It seems to have a mid 70s vibe and was certainly far better than I was expecting and I will come back to this again in future.

7/10
 
I really enjoy Fogs reviews and anyone else’s that put the time and effort giving honest opinions, great way to learn about what makes the album tick and where I can hopefully find inspiration to feel the same.
I suppose it depends where the review is going to be published.
On an internet forum or high end magazine there's the room to write 1000 plus words and go into history, influences and comparisons.
Plus, the reader will usually take more time to actually wade through it.
For the casual reader a long-winded review is too much trouble. Look at reviews in the daily press and general interest mags and they will be a couple of paragraphs long.
I'm not meaning to have a pop at @FogBlueInSanFran or the others that put their thought down on here. When i have a spare week i even read them and have got some good snippets of info.
 
Rocks

It starts off very well, Back In The Saddle was always one of my favourite Aerosmith songs. And it continues to sort of hit the spot right up until Combination. And then it gets very generic Aerosmith with most songs sounding very much like each other. Except for Nobody's Fault which is rather good.

My problem with this album is that the one that precedes it, Toys In The Attic. Toys is a fantastic album, and my favourite by them. You would never guess that it's from 1975 as it sounds 'modern'. Even now. Rocks seems a setback even listening to it after all these years. A new direction-ish but not preformed as well. And for the record, even though lead vocals is always one of my bugbears, I've never really been bothered by Tyler's singing as I think it fits the music very well.

Hard to score for me as Toys would have reached the dizzy heights of a 7/8 but this is just not as good. To my ears. Delicate as they are.

6/10
 
I suppose it depends where the review is going to be published.
On an internet forum or high end magazine there's the room to write 1000 plus words and go into history, influences and comparisons.
Plus, the reader will usually take more time to actually wade through it.
For the casual reader a long-winded review is too much trouble. Look at reviews in the daily press and general interest mags and they will be a couple of paragraphs long.
I'm not meaning to have a pop at @FogBlueInSanFran or the others that put their thought down on here. When i have a spare week i even read them and have got some good snippets of info.

It’s strange criticism and not needed.
This thread has the perfect balance in terms of nominations and reviews - Fogs reviews and others are really not long-winded and if it’s too much for you to read a few paragraphs then just scroll.
 
8.5/10 for me and if they hadn’t half invented the power ballad in the last track (which in itself wasn’t that bad but has spawned myriad egregious offspring) then I might have gone a bit higher still!
Don't worry, they didn't -- KISS did on "Destroyer" with "Beth" six weeks prior to this record's release :). As I believe I noted when we reviewed that one :)
 
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Aerosmith - Rocks

Have to admit when this was nominated my heart sunk a bit as though I’d heard a handful of their songs that I liked, it’s not really my territory and for everyone I’d thought OK there seemed to be another that I really didn’t care for at all.

So it’s nice to be pleasantly surprised and I’d go as far as to say this is the most surprised I’ve been by a nomination.

Even Tyler’s screaming stopped winding me up in the end as it occurred to me you’d can’t expect Perry and Whitford to be balls-out and Tyler not to be; even if his version does sound at times like they are trapped in his zipper :-)

I concur with most of what OB1 and Rob have written. I’ve already said the main reason I like this is the overall sonic effect and that continues to be the case. It’s been a while since just the general sound coming out of the speakers has impressed like this did.

I had a big old read over the weekend about the details of the recording of this album and they are very interesting. Won’t go down that rabbit hole but I will say that there’s a bit of self-deprecation in Jack Douglas’s blithe statement that basically it’s simply down to the distortion. Any clown with access to a Big Muff and a Tube Screamer can make a racket (something I have proven to myself on multiple occasions) but it won’t sound anything like the racket on this album!! The tones are just so enjoyable, and they have lots of slightly contradictory elements to them to the extent that in the end I gave up trying to come up with the right adjective to describe the sound. As a recording I think this is quite special.

In terms of songs, I think OB1 nailed it on the head in talking about it as a whole rather than the parts, Back In The Saddle is a big big song on it’s own but I found myself listening to this album as a 30 odd minute single piece rather than a series of songs. In that sense it reminded me a bit of listening to the different movements in a classical piece.

In light of Fog’s comments about Toys I did have another good listen to that too, and though I get where he’s coming from, as a whole I remain much keener on Rocks as a listening experience.

I had a very brief mooch around their later catalogue and it really isn’t my cup of tea, but I will happily return to this album, and I can see how it’s seen as a bit of a touchstone for later artists.

8.5/10 for me and if they hadn’t half invented the power ballad in the last track (which in itself wasn’t that bad but has spawned myriad egregious offspring) then I might have gone a bit higher still!

Always gratifying when someone really listens to your nomination and gets some surprising pleasure from it.

Jack douglas is an excellent producer and not just of hard rock. He was a favourite of John Lennon and produced the "Double Fantasy" album. I think he engineered "Imagine".
 

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