The British Monarchy

SebastianBlue said:
And her mother retired and cashed out of that party planning business well before it went bust, meaning it had little impact on the wealth created by it.

This narrative that Kate is “of the people” is just nonsense, and is simply the narrative she and the royal family have carefully crafted since she first began her relationship with William.

And people believing that narrative matters because it acts to legitimise an institution that has outlived its usefulness and now just stands to legitimise inequality and the issues it causes for most people in the nation. That extends to the millionaires and billionaires that knock elbows with the royal family and largely control the political machine of the UK.

By any reasonable measure Kate came from wealth and privilege, and her upbringing was far closer to a person born to the royal family than it was to yours, mine, @mackenzie, or @Brewster's millions.
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The only person who was written anything saying that Kate Middleton is ‘of the people’ is yourself. Creating your own narrative so that you can disagree with it is a bit odd.
 
Brewster's millions said:
The only person who was written anything saying that Kate Middleton is ‘of the people’ is yourself. Creating your own narrative so that you can disagree with it is a bit odd.
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I think you and others have very much implied that, and I think you’re being quite disingenuous claiming that I have created that narrative from nothing, especially given your efforts to redefine what being born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth means and verifiably inaccurate assertions about the background of the Middleton family.
 
SebastianBlue said:
And her mother retired and cashed out of that party planning business well before it went bust, meaning it had little impact on the wealth created by it.

This narrative that Kate is “of the people” is just nonsense, and is simply the narrative she and the royal family have carefully crafted since she first began her relationship with William.

And people believing that narrative matters because it acts to legitimise an institution that has outlived its usefulness and now just stands to legitimise inequality and the issues it causes for most people in the nation. That extends to the millionaires and billionaires that knock elbows with the royal family and largely control the political machine of the UK.

By any reasonable measure Kate came from wealth and privilege, and her upbringing was far closer to a person born to the royal family than it was to yours, mine, @mackenzie, or @Brewster's millions.
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I don't think her upbringing was closer to the RF than it was to mine. Wealth perhaps, but apart from that.....no.
 
SebastianBlue said:
You came up in privilege, as well?

I want to hear your story!
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Both came from parents who worked for a living, both had anonymity to go about our daily lives as we wanted to, both had structure and yet freedom too, both had a loving close extended family and neither had a close relative that was the monarch.
 
mackenzie said:
Both came from parents who worked for a living, both had anonymity to go about our daily lives as we wanted to, both had structure and yet freedom too, both had a loving close extended family and neither had a close relative that was the monarch.
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Were your parents millionaires (with trust funds) that interacted with the royal family regularly and sent you to the best schools and got you the best jobs, before you were courted by and then married a member of the royal family (as was your sister)?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Were your parents millionaires that interacted with the royal family regularly and sent you to the best schools and got you the best jobs, before you were courted by and then married a member of the royal family (as was your sister)?
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No, but we have common ground in the way we were allowed to live our lives.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I think you and others have very much implied that, and I think you’re being quite disingenuous claiming that I have created that narrative from nothing, especially given your efforts to redefine what being born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth means and verifiably inaccurate assertions about the background of the Middleton family.
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I didn’t imply that she was of the people; that was your assumption and your terminology. Invented by yourself.

Again, for what it think is the third or possibly fourth time, I simply stated that in the context of the RF, she wasn’t born with a silver spoon, she wasn’t an aristocrat and she didn’t have her own title. The unusual thing about her marrying Prince William was her lack of nobility. At no point did I suggest she was working class.

Also, regarding her family business, the fact that it went bust recently means nothing in relation to how much money it may have provided to them in the previous 30 odd years it was trading. But you already know that.
 
mackenzie said:
No, but we have common ground in the way we were allowed to live our lives.
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Ok, but that doesn’t mean her upbringing was closer to yours than a member born in to the royal family. She still had considerable wealth and privilege, and the advantages they bring (whether she intentionally leveraged the wealth and privilege or not), that you did not.

I will agree you both had #PrettyPrivilege, though.
 
Brewster's millions said:
You talk about respect, but clearly you can’t respect somebody’s right to privacy about a medical issue, although you’re a bit too dim to realise that aren’t you? And the one member of the Royal Family who wasn’t born with a silver spoon, but again that one went over your head as well.
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Have you seen where she was educated? Kate was absolutely born with a sliver spoon in her mouth.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I didn’t imply that she was of the people; that was your assumption and your terminology. Invented by yourself.

Again, for what it think is the third or possibly fourth time, I simply stated that in the context of the RF, she wasn’t born with a silver spoon, she wasn’t an aristocrat and she didn’t have her own title. The unusual thing about her marrying Prince William was her lack of nobility. At no point did I suggest she was working class.

Also, regarding her family business, the fact that it went bust recently means nothing in relation to how much money it may have provided to them in the previous 30 odd years it was trading. But you already know that.
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Again, I think you are being intellectual dishonest here but I am not going to argue with you further.

And, of course I know that the business failing doesn’t relate to how much money it has provided them, as I said that exact thing at the very beginning of my response to @bluenova. That point supports my position, rather than yours, which makes it stranger that you are bringing it up. Her mother was only able to even start that business—then cash out before it went bust—because of the inherited wealth the Middleton family already possessed.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Ok, but that doesn’t mean her upbringing was closer to yours than a member born in to the royal family. She still had considerable wealth and privilege, and the advantages they bring (whether she intentionally leveraged the wealth and privilege or not), that you did not.

I will agree you both had #PrettyPrivilege, though.
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I've never heard that term before. Interesting. A little harsh though....
 
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