PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

GortonBlue62 said:
The conversations we have with stupid people, in the pub and at work, still need to be 'won'.

It's why the information on threads like this matter.

I'd imagine there are dozens of people like me pushing back against the shite we encounter in the real world, and to a lesser degree online, with information gleaned from the two or three experts on here who know what they are talking about.
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Mate, beating idiots isn't possible they don't have the cells to process stuff.
 
Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
You've made the assumption, I'm arguing our case with some knobhead, when I'm actually explaining to someone who is genuinely interested, what the difference is between the 3 cases.
So when they come back with reasonable questions like 'how many total charges did Everton/ Forest get?' etc, I can provide known facts rather than made up media bullshit, they're used to hearing.
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The big difference is Everton and Forest both failed the PSR calculations, as in their published accounts show a loss that was greater than either were allowed over a three year period. It’s a pretty simple did they pass or fail, that all.

What we have been accused of is not passing or failing PSR calculations, it is that we have been dishonest with our accounting and payment of individuals and subsequently not co-operating with the PL in their investigation into us. The reason it’s 115 charges is because they’ve classed every potential breach of an underpinning regulation as a charge, and then over multiple years. It was a ridiculous thing to do by the PL as there’s clearly some underpinning regulations they’ve said we’ve breached that we clearly haven’t (and they also had to change their original statement as in that they got the regulations wrong). Ultimately, we’ve really got five charges.

So ultimately, the Everton and Forest ones are just maths and both those clubs have breached PSR, ours are allegations of improper conduct that require a lot more investigation and subsequently judgment.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The PL case looks even weaker when you consider that CAS accepted the emails as admissable evidence but also accepted they provided a "distorted impression" because the so-called leaked emails (published by Der Spiegl) were only selected extracts of emails and one of those emails was actually two emails copied and pasted together. It is also included in the CAS report that the six leaked emails were a tiny part of a cache of 5.5m documents from City which had been illegally hacked. Since the CAS case Pinto the hacker has admitted exortion and hacking charges and is still under investigation for further offences. Given this backdrop surely the PL would be crazy to try and build a case on any of the emails which in any case don't provide any evidence of wrongdoing. Why has the PL seemingly ignored the result of the CAS case?
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Ish. Although they said one of the emails gave a distorted impression, they also said it didn’t affect the veracity of Uefa’s case. We pretty much said they were genuine, Widdowson did directly.

The leaked emails post CAS would need explaining. I’m just not sure why the same explanation wouldn’t still be valid if that’s all they’ve got.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Mate, beating idiots isn't possible they don't have the cells to process stuff.
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Not just idiots unfortunately. Had it last night with someone senior at Deloittes, of all places. "115", "cheats", "dirty money"...etc. Pointed out that he ought to hope we're exonerated as his firm signed off on things - looked taken aback.
My wife quickly moved the ensuing silence along.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
In fact the 2020 letter was signed by nine clubs (including Arsenal). The others were: Spurs, LFC, MUFC, Chelsea, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves, and Burnley. It went direct to CAS in March 2020 before they had even started their main deliberations. According to the CAS documents the clubs "opposed any stay of execution" for City on the UEFA sanctions. So those clubs wanted us to be banned from europe and heavily fined even before the appeal had been heard. It is hard to imagine anything more unethical than a group of commercial rivals trying to intervene in a supposedly impartial legal process. I wonder if Richard Masters was copied in.
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It's almost as if those clubs acted in bad faith against the interests of a fellow club. Isn't there a (PL) law against such behaviour?
 
meltonblue said:
Ish. Although they said one of the emails gave a distorted impression, they also said it didn’t affect the veracity of Uefa’s case. We pretty much said they were genuine, Widdowson did directly.

The leaked emails post CAS would need explaining. I’m just not sure why the same explanation wouldn’t still be valid if that’s all they’ve got.
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It's a good point and this has probably been in most City fans minds since the start of all this. What material are the PL actually basing their allegations on? Everything seems to be completely circumstantial at the moment.
 
mrbelfry said:
Our charges aren't really the same as Everton's and Forest's and I'm not sure we did vote against some of the regulations. For example some of the Mancini charges are related to not sending his contract to the PL (presumably the allegation is that the one we sent was false otherwise it wouldn't have taken 10 years for them to notice they didn't have it). Did City vote against that regulation?
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Technically speaking, we had no right to send Mancini’s contract with Mansour’s club to the PL nor to report his payments thereunder. Privity of contract.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The PL case looks even weaker when you consider that CAS accepted the emails as admissable evidence but also accepted they provided a "distorted impression" because the so-called leaked emails (published by Der Spiegl) were only selected extracts of emails and one of those emails was actually two emails copied and pasted together. It is also included in the CAS report that the six leaked emails were a tiny part of a cache of 5.5m documents from City which had been illegally hacked. Since the CAS case Pinto the hacker has admitted exortion and hacking charges and is still under investigation for further offences. Given this backdrop surely the PL would be crazy to try and build a case on any of the emails which in any case don't provide any evidence of wrongdoing. Why has the PL seemingly ignored the result of the CAS case?
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Tebas once said something along the lines of” uefa couldn’t charge due to the time barred issues but the premier league has no time restrictions”. We know the uk statute of limitations applies.

If you take his words at face value and apply them in real terms then the premier league have been accosted into believing that we “got away with it” and they can bang us to rights on the new emails or the time element that uefa could not explore.

So the clubs against us have briefed masters on the next course of action. The 115 covers everything incase something was missed by the uefa cunts.
 
joeyh123 said:
theres an article floating about this morning saying we should have a 690 point deduction and be relegated, but heres the kicker when we get back in to the prem each time we start on negative 690 points so you start the season already relegated and then work the points off......


Crazy how much people are desperate for city to be found guilty. It really does show mob mentality is not just in person but is digital too.
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The dippers who write this stuff have no sense of perspective. A few allegations of financial wrongdoing vs 39 killed and 600 injured as a direct consequence of their fans misbehaviour! Perspective hey…. And we are the bad guys.
 
wolviedinho said:
Tebas once said something along the lines of” uefa couldn’t charge due to the time barred issues but the premier league has no time restrictions”. We know the uk statute of limitations applies.

If you take his words at face value and apply them in real terms then the premier league have been accosted into believing that we “got away with it” and they can bang us to rights on the new emails or the time element that uefa could not explore.

So the clubs against us have briefed masters on the next course of action. The 115 covers everything incase something was missed by the uefa cunts.
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Around this time Tebas and Gill became very good mates… if I recall.
 
Maybe, just maybe the whole purpose of this Man City witch-hunt is to stall City's Worldwide fan acquisition as some foreign fans may think twice about jumping on the 'cheaters bandwagon' just in case. The red shirts aren't bothered if the FA burn in the process, in fact it makes it easier to form a lucrative breakaway league.
 
meltonblue said:
Ish. Although they said one of the emails gave a distorted impression, they also said it didn’t affect the veracity of Uefa’s case. We pretty much said they were genuine, Widdowson did directly.

The leaked emails post CAS would need explaining. I’m just not sure why the same explanation wouldn’t still be valid if that’s all they’ve got.
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City eventually confirmed the veracity of the emails with the evidence they provided anyway. The point is that the emails were carefully selected by Der Spiegl to show City in an apparently bad light. They published very selective extracts of those six emails. Over five million of City's documents were hacked but just six random emails, some dating back before FFP existed, were published and at least one of them had been doctored. CAS accepted their veracity as emails with the caveats they stated but then dismissed them totally as evidence of any wrongdoing. Yet apparently the PL are re-visiting them.
 
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