Vat on Independent school fees?

[Worsleyweb]

I will bow out of the politics forum for another year. Just wanted to gather some opinions.

 

[Brewster's millions]

You are genuinely the worst person on BM. Your idea of society is so far removed from the realities of life for the average person I have to believe you’re a parody.
But, you’re not, you live an existence that the majority of posters you reply to don’t recognise and yet you still persist.
I’ve been up to a bit of shenanigans all my life and yet none of it is as unethical as the world you see and endorse.

Once again, and unsurprisingly, you’ve missed the point entirely.

Is it fair that all taxpayers, and particularly people in low paid jobs who work long hours, should pick up the tab for students who choose to study subjects which have genuinely poor employment prospects and who will more likely than not fail to repay their student loans? How on earth is that fair? Do you think people who choose not to go to university should just tip up more and more taxes so that universities can go on offering poor degree courses that offer little in terms of employment prospects?

The numbers are staggering as well. By the mid-2040s the student loan book will be close to half a trillion and an optimistic forecast is that around 40% of students will fail to fully repay their loans. That’s an enormous burden on the public finances and it will inevitably reduce the funding available for other public finances.

You should perhaps try to engage your brain before getting on your high horse.

 

[Scottyboi]

I will bow out of the politics forum for another year. Just wanted to gather some opinions.

Well what is your opinion of it? You come across as wealthy enough to private educate your kids, do you think you should pay VAT?

 

[Phil1]

Once again, and unsurprisingly, you’ve missed the point entirely.

Is it fair that all taxpayers, and particularly people in low paid jobs who work long hours, should pick up the tab for students who choose to study subjects which have genuinely poor employment prospects and who will more likely than not fail to repay their student loans? How on earth is that fair? Do you think people who choose not to go to university should just tip up more and more taxes so that universities can go on offering poor degree courses that offer little in terms of employment prospects?

The numbers are staggering as well. By the mid-2040s the student loan book will be close to half a trillion and an optimistic forecast is that around 40% of students will fail to fully repay their loans. That’s an enormous burden on the public finances and it will inevitably reduce the funding available for other public finances.

You should perhaps try to engage your brain before getting on your high horse.

My horse is just about right. Don’t look down on people, don’t have an air of superiority just know a **** when I see one.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Once again, and unsurprisingly, you’ve missed the point entirely.

Is it fair that all taxpayers, and particularly people in low paid jobs who work long hours, should pick up the tab for students who choose to study subjects which have genuinely poor employment prospects and who will more likely than not fail to repay their student loans? How on earth is that fair? Do you think people who choose not to go to university should just tip up more and more taxes so that universities can go on offering poor degree courses that offer little in terms of employment prospects?

The numbers are staggering as well. By the mid-2040s the student loan book will be close to half a trillion and an optimistic forecast is that around 40% of students will fail to fully repay their loans. That’s an enormous burden on the public finances and it will inevitably reduce the funding available for other public finances.

You should perhaps try to engage your brain before getting on your high horse.

As an example of them perhaps you should have worked a bit harder at school.

 

[oldius]

Once again, and unsurprisingly, you’ve missed the point entirely.

Is it fair that all taxpayers, and particularly people in low paid jobs who work long hours, should pick up the tab for students who choose to study subjects which have genuinely poor employment prospects and who will more likely than not fail to repay their student loans? How on earth is that fair? Do you think people who choose not to go to university should just tip up more and more taxes so that universities can go on offering poor degree courses that offer little in terms of employment prospects?

The numbers are staggering as well. By the mid-2040s the student loan book will be close to half a trillion and an optimistic forecast is that around 40% of students will fail to fully repay their loans. That’s an enormous burden on the public finances and it will inevitably reduce the funding available for other public finances.

You should perhaps try to engage your brain before getting on your high horse.

With a median full-time salary level in the UK of £31,000, it is understandable why so many will not be asked to repay. The numbers are staggering, yes, but more in how little we value so many of the jobs that make the biggest contributions to society.

 

[Brewster's millions]

As an example of them perhaps you should have worked a bit harder at school.

Your post doesn’t make any sense I’m afraid.

Try writing it out again, so that people can understand it. In your best handwriting as well please.

 

[Brewster's millions]

With a median full-time salary level in the UK of £31,000, it is understandable why so many will not be asked to repay. The numbers are staggering, yes, but more in how little we value so many of the jobs that make the biggest contributions to society.

So you think the current system works well and we should just leave it alone, without questioning what actually works for society and how degrees are funded?

 

[west didsblue]

So you think the current system works well and we should just leave it alone, without questioning what actually works for society and how degrees are funded?

You probably should have done an O level in logical reasoning then you might have thought twice about posting non sequiturs like this.

 

[BobKowalski]

Girls did home economics and cooking when I was at school in the 70s. Boys did woodwork, metalwork and tech drawing.

We were given the option and I did home economics rather than woodwork. Taught me the basics of cooking and was useful later on in life. This was early 70’s.

 

[domalino]

I don't have to though realy, that would mean me explaining myself or teaching you my meaning, just google it, sure loads of explanations will come upon the topic of why practical teaching isn't necessary over online videos

Shame your original comment was a non sequitur, that would have been a good comeback.

Unfortunately you can’t explain how someone being able to learn how to fix something from the internet is the same as telling them to throw it away because that’s obviously complete bollocks.

 

[domalino]

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

Most nurses don’t pay back their student loans.

So by your definition in 2024, nursing degrees are not worthwhile to society.

 

[west didsblue]

We were given the option and I did home economics rather than woodwork. Taught me the basics of cooking and was useful later on in life. This was early 70’s.

We didn’t have the option, so although my cooking skills are somewhat limited, I know how to make a tie rack out of wood and an ash tray out of metal. Useful stuff.

The most useful subject I did at school was actually technical drawing. It’s the only one where I actually used the skills I learnt in my career as an engineer. Probably more useful than my engineering degree tbh, although I wouldn’t have got the job without the degree and it provided the qualification needed to become chartered.

 

[Phil1]

Most nurses don’t pay back their student loans.

I look forward to hearing all about how nurses aren’t worthwhile to society.

His world is different to the vast majority of people.

Which is a good thing.

 

[domalino]

His world is different to the vast majority of people.

Which is a good thing.

He actually lives in the real world with the rest of us.

Which is part of the shame of it really. He doesn’t have to experience the fucking catastrophe that would follow if he actually ever got the things he says he wants.

 

[threespires]

Girls did home economics and cooking when I was at school in the 70s. Boys did woodwork, metalwork and tech drawing.

At my all boys comprehensive (don't ask) we did all of the above, though which twat thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of fuckwit lads lose with hot irons lord only knows.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Most nurses don’t pay back their student loans.

So by your definition in 2024, nursing degrees are not worthwhile to society.

Thankfully nursing undergraduates get additional funding from the NHS which doesn’t have to be repaid, and I think this should be increased.

 

[oldius]

So you think the current system works well and we should just leave it alone, without questioning what actually works for society and how degrees are funded?

It is what actually works for society that needs to be revalued: a banker will be repaying their student loan almost immediately but a teacher or nurse possibly never.

We should always question what we do, of course, but we have arrived at a situation of a failing economy, and a failing society, because of our values.

 

[Brewster's millions]

He actually lives in the real world with the rest of us.

Which is part of the shame of it really. He doesn’t have to experience the fucking catastrophe that would follow if he actually ever got the things he says he wants.

And you live in a real world where public spending and taxes aren’t linked. Makes sense.

 

[domalino]

Thankfully nursing undergraduates get additional funding from the NHS which doesn’t have to be repaid, and I think this should be increased.

Sorry but that’s irrelevant and so is what would be the case if you were in charge.

As it stands, a nurse who goes to university will never pay off their student loan from working as a nurse.

That makes them worthless by your own logic.

So either nurses are worthless or your theory about degrees has completely fallen apart after the briefest examination.